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		<title>Comment on Catholic Vegetarians? No. by slick</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2011/09/catholic-vegetarians-no/comment-page-1/#comment-384911</link>
		<dc:creator>slick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 03:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You really need to read about &quot;Vegetarians for a free choice,&quot; it will change your opinion on this issue:

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/persecution/pch0037.html


&quot;How can any father look his four-year-old son in the eye and tell him that he cannot be both a practicing vegetarian and a hot dog lover? Why should a working mom, who is deeply committed to the principles of vegetarianism, feel guilty simply for snacking on an occasional beef jerky?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really need to read about &#8220;Vegetarians for a free choice,&#8221; it will change your opinion on this issue:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/persecution/pch0037.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/persecution/pch0037.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;How can any father look his four-year-old son in the eye and tell him that he cannot be both a practicing vegetarian and a hot dog lover? Why should a working mom, who is deeply committed to the principles of vegetarianism, feel guilty simply for snacking on an occasional beef jerky?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Enough with the Boring Photos by Samuel J. Howard</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2011/09/enough-with-the-boring-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-384893</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel J. Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I entirely agree (or would take the same action as you would), but this is an important piece of self-examination and an example of why we still need to hear from the CSGT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I entirely agree (or would take the same action as you would), but this is an important piece of self-examination and an example of why we still need to hear from the CSGT.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Enough with the Boring Photos by Sidonius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sidonius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 02:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had never really considered the matter in such a light before. At the very least, I do think more care could be taken in the presentation of such photographs, e.g. by including them via a single frame slideshow device inline with the post, possibly at the end, which the reader can choose to peruse or not. It seems also salutary to recall that one or two very well composed photographs are preferable to &quot;sharing&quot; a dozen images of dubious quality and worth.

I don&#039;t know if such a site falls under the wrath here unfolded of the Pseudo-Dionysius, but I must confess that I have long had in my RSS reader &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://thefarsight2.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the far sight 2.0: catholic eye-candy and history&lt;/a&gt;&quot; as well as that site&#039;s previous iteration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had never really considered the matter in such a light before. At the very least, I do think more care could be taken in the presentation of such photographs, e.g. by including them via a single frame slideshow device inline with the post, possibly at the end, which the reader can choose to peruse or not. It seems also salutary to recall that one or two very well composed photographs are preferable to &#8220;sharing&#8221; a dozen images of dubious quality and worth.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if such a site falls under the wrath here unfolded of the Pseudo-Dionysius, but I must confess that I have long had in my RSS reader &#8220;<a href="http://thefarsight2.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">the far sight 2.0: catholic eye-candy and history</a>&#8221; as well as that site&#8217;s previous iteration.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pesky pilgrimage flags by Asophist</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2010/05/pesky-pilgrimage-flags/comment-page-1/#comment-383947</link>
		<dc:creator>Asophist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 20:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pilgrimage occurred in France, where laws of the USA do not apply. Thus, it matters not, legally, what was done to the USA flag in France. It seems the intent of those people from the USA who altered the flag for the pilgrimage were making a statement about their faith and about their country through a creation of a new symbol, one meant to be suggestive, not literal, so that in such a context there need be no concern as to how many stars are visible. One need not be concerned about a loss of symbolism of the 50 stars if they can&#039;t all be seen in this context, because we all know that there ARE 50 stars, whether you can see them or no. The symbolism is not affected, except perhaps in a too-literal mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pilgrimage occurred in France, where laws of the USA do not apply. Thus, it matters not, legally, what was done to the USA flag in France. It seems the intent of those people from the USA who altered the flag for the pilgrimage were making a statement about their faith and about their country through a creation of a new symbol, one meant to be suggestive, not literal, so that in such a context there need be no concern as to how many stars are visible. One need not be concerned about a loss of symbolism of the 50 stars if they can&#8217;t all be seen in this context, because we all know that there ARE 50 stars, whether you can see them or no. The symbolism is not affected, except perhaps in a too-literal mind.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pesky pilgrimage flags by Paul S.</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2010/05/pesky-pilgrimage-flags/comment-page-1/#comment-376880</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would dispute the characterization as &quot;illegal&quot; - it is true that the Flag Code states that such things shall not be done.  Nonetheless, since Texas v Johnson (Supreme Court, 1989) - which is federal law - no penalties can attach to violation of that unenforced code. 

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.genchrist.net/pilgrimage/socialkingship.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Flag of the Social Kingship of Christ&lt;/a&gt; is not intended to be a confusing mixture of sacred and secular but instead to rightly subject the secular to the sacred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would dispute the characterization as &#8220;illegal&#8221; &#8211; it is true that the Flag Code states that such things shall not be done.  Nonetheless, since Texas v Johnson (Supreme Court, 1989) &#8211; which is federal law &#8211; no penalties can attach to violation of that unenforced code. </p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.genchrist.net/pilgrimage/socialkingship.html" rel="nofollow">Flag of the Social Kingship of Christ</a> is not intended to be a confusing mixture of sacred and secular but instead to rightly subject the secular to the sacred.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Noli irritare leonem by Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2009/03/noli-irritare-leonem/comment-page-1/#comment-375750</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 20:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenrick opposed its definition, but dutifully submitted afterwards.</description>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;The Poor Among Us&#8221; by Jon Merrill</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2010/02/the-poor-among-us/comment-page-1/#comment-375202</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Merrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 14:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Unfortunately, in our society, it’s become necessary to be more discerning about what we give for the sake of &#039;the poor&#039;&quot;

Afoot is an initiative to establish an orthodox/traditional echt-Catholic international charity (Militia Caritatis Dei), truly NON-governmental (i.e., accepting out of prudence and principle no government funding) which would focus on supporting real-Catholic schools and other educational programs.  Your interest and support is herewith solicited.  You can contact me by email and I&#039;ll be glad to send you a sample list of current endorsers and a summary proposal.  The email is:  jgmerrill@comcast.net
Thanks in advance, Jon Merrill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Unfortunately, in our society, it’s become necessary to be more discerning about what we give for the sake of &#8216;the poor&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>Afoot is an initiative to establish an orthodox/traditional echt-Catholic international charity (Militia Caritatis Dei), truly NON-governmental (i.e., accepting out of prudence and principle no government funding) which would focus on supporting real-Catholic schools and other educational programs.  Your interest and support is herewith solicited.  You can contact me by email and I&#8217;ll be glad to send you a sample list of current endorsers and a summary proposal.  The email is:  <a href="mailto:jgmerrill@comcast.net">jgmerrill@comcast.net</a><br />
Thanks in advance, Jon Merrill</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hannibal Cardinal Della Genga &#8211; Leo XII by Fr PF</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/08/hannibal-cardinal-della-genga-leo-xii/comment-page-1/#comment-371116</link>
		<dc:creator>Fr PF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 23:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josephus
I finally succeeded in getting the photo of St Vincent Mary Strambi. If you e-mail me, I&#039;ll send it to you.
Fr Paul Francis cp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josephus<br />
I finally succeeded in getting the photo of St Vincent Mary Strambi. If you e-mail me, I&#8217;ll send it to you.<br />
Fr Paul Francis cp</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wherein Bonifacius checks seemingly over-zealous Mariology by scooup</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2010/02/wherein-bonifacius-seemingly-checks-over-zealous-mariology/comment-page-1/#comment-361282</link>
		<dc:creator>scooup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do people who consider themselves true Christians really, REALLY sit around and argue over who was the holier human being? About whether or not it is a &quot;man&#039;s world?&quot; Really?

REALLY?

Wow. How sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do people who consider themselves true Christians really, REALLY sit around and argue over who was the holier human being? About whether or not it is a &#8220;man&#8217;s world?&#8221; Really?</p>
<p>REALLY?</p>
<p>Wow. How sad.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pesky pilgrimage flags by Tancred</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2010/05/pesky-pilgrimage-flags/comment-page-1/#comment-359241</link>
		<dc:creator>Tancred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 23:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where have you been Boniface?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Pesky pilgrimage flags by Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 11:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why quibble over this? Catholics in the USA. You are not the majority and your flag and constitution show it. Why do you object when a flag without Christian symbolism is improved?
Why are you even concerned? Your flag means little to a Catholic.
National flags have no place in the sanctuary of a Catholic Church.
Why? Because the nationistic claims of one country as as good as another.
I am a Catholic first!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why quibble over this? Catholics in the USA. You are not the majority and your flag and constitution show it. Why do you object when a flag without Christian symbolism is improved?<br />
Why are you even concerned? Your flag means little to a Catholic.<br />
National flags have no place in the sanctuary of a Catholic Church.<br />
Why? Because the nationistic claims of one country as as good as another.<br />
I am a Catholic first!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pesky pilgrimage flags by Fr. Basil</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2010/05/pesky-pilgrimage-flags/comment-page-1/#comment-354115</link>
		<dc:creator>Fr. Basil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 15:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I point out that the US Flag Code forbids putting ANYTHING--object or device--on the American flag?

Therefore, a Sacred Heart emblem on the flag is illegal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I point out that the US Flag Code forbids putting ANYTHING&#8211;object or device&#8211;on the American flag?</p>
<p>Therefore, a Sacred Heart emblem on the flag is illegal.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pesky pilgrimage flags by Paul S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 00:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bonifacius,

The flag used at our recent &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.genchrist.net/pilgrimage/2010_pilgrimage.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pilgrimage for Christian Culture&lt;/a&gt; roughly corresponds with Doctor Asinorum&#039;s suggestion, supra.  By adding the Sacred Hear of the Vendée to the American Flag, it is our intent to supplement the national symbol and create what we call an American &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.genchrist.net/pilgrimage/socialkingship.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Flag of Social Kingship of Christ&lt;/a&gt;.

A representative picture may be seen &lt;a href=&quot;http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/UHu8yDXf_qAsq0AKO-Oc8g?feat=directlink&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;

Does this banner sufficiently avoid the faults which caused you complained as to the Chartres flag?

~Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bonifacius,</p>
<p>The flag used at our recent <a href="http://www.genchrist.net/pilgrimage/2010_pilgrimage.html" rel="nofollow">Pilgrimage for Christian Culture</a> roughly corresponds with Doctor Asinorum&#8217;s suggestion, supra.  By adding the Sacred Hear of the Vendée to the American Flag, it is our intent to supplement the national symbol and create what we call an American <a href="http://www.genchrist.net/pilgrimage/socialkingship.html" rel="nofollow">Flag of Social Kingship of Christ</a>.</p>
<p>A representative picture may be seen <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/UHu8yDXf_qAsq0AKO-Oc8g?feat=directlink" rel="nofollow">here</a></p>
<p>Does this banner sufficiently avoid the faults which caused you complained as to the Chartres flag?</p>
<p>~Paul</p>
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		<title>Comment on David&#8217;s dance before the Ark and the redemption of the Gentiles by alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you,,,, i am illumined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you,,,, i am illumined.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pesky pilgrimage flags by Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Editor:

I was going to write and ask if the article was meant to be a satire - until I read the followup comments.

Good grief, are we in a pitiable state in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Editor:</p>
<p>I was going to write and ask if the article was meant to be a satire &#8211; until I read the followup comments.</p>
<p>Good grief, are we in a pitiable state in America.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pesky pilgrimage flags by Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, but are our faith teaches us to respect our nation through patriotism and obedience to its laws. Part of this patriotism is showing honor and respect for its symbols. Now some of our symbols may be problematic, but the flag is not one. This is classified by the US Code as disrespect and mutilation of the flag. That happens to be the law which we are obliged to obey. I can&#039;t find any compelling reason not to obey it except personal pride and will. I don&#039;t think it is an unreasonable law since the Sacred Heart can be displayed in many other ways without any oppression from the state.

TITLE 4 &gt; CHAPTER 1 &gt; § 8
(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, but are our faith teaches us to respect our nation through patriotism and obedience to its laws. Part of this patriotism is showing honor and respect for its symbols. Now some of our symbols may be problematic, but the flag is not one. This is classified by the US Code as disrespect and mutilation of the flag. That happens to be the law which we are obliged to obey. I can&#8217;t find any compelling reason not to obey it except personal pride and will. I don&#8217;t think it is an unreasonable law since the Sacred Heart can be displayed in many other ways without any oppression from the state.</p>
<p>TITLE 4 &gt; CHAPTER 1 &gt; § 8<br />
(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pesky pilgrimage flags by Bonifacius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonifacius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 11:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, after forty days, I can post again.  The computer literally did not permit me to post to this site until now.

Let me address your concerns.  

First, I apologize for using the word &quot;defile.&quot;  This was scandalous.  A sacred image cannot defile a secular one.  

However, I still maintain that the addition of the Sacred Heart where it was added on that pilgrimage flag does indeed *ruin* the symbolism of the flag.  I reiterate:  the *entire point* of the blue field is to display *50* stars for the *50* states.  It doesn&#039;t matter what you add to that field of stars, if you cover up any one of the stars, you ruin the entire symbolic message of it.  Period.  Don&#039;t dispute this; you cannot.

Secondly, one might well superimpose a sacred image over the stripes, as the rattlesnake once was so imposed.  

But I ask:  why?  Not every national image or symbol contains a sacred image.  The American Flag is already established.  If you want to come up with some other, specifically religious image for America, knock yourself out.  But it&#039;s not like the coats-of-arms of every major European ruling house during the era of &quot;Christendom&quot; contained a cross or Sacred Heart.  So this impulse to add a Sacred Heart to the flag for the sake of adding a Sacred Heart doesn&#039;t rest on any necessity.  In fact, the Flag of the Papal States was just red and yellow, no Christian imagery at all:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_Papal_States_(pre_1808).svg  If Blessed Pope Pius IX saw nothing wrong with that flag, don&#039;t mess with the American Flag, which is already &quot;complete,&quot; in that each element has a significance that should not be obscured by the addition of some other element.

&quot;Catholics care little about national flags. Nationalism is abhorrent to everybody who by religion should think and feel in a thoroughly supra-national way.&quot;

I know where you&#039;re coming from.  And you&#039;re still very, very wrong.  You make a mistake so typical among traditional Catholics.  From the fact that nationality (forget national*ism*) and national emblems are not everything, you infer that they are nothing.  Or at least that&#039;s how you talk.  Catholics care little about national flags?  Gee, that&#039;s awfully enlightening.  Do you have a papal decree on that?  Or maybe you&#039;re making a broader cultural observation.  Okay, then which Catholic country lacks a national flag?  If national flags matter so little, then why did Our Lord ask for a Sacred Heart to be placed on the French Flag (not, I note, American one)?  Or why did the Catholic claimant to the Throne of France in the late 1800s refuse to restore the Monarchy because the condition for doing so was to accept the Tricolour in place of the French Royal Banner?  Catholics in the Middle Ages knocked themselves out over coats-of-arms, which are related to flags in their symbolism.  If Catholics then were loyal to dynastic and municipal symbols, why not national ones.  Why don&#039;t you go back in time and tell the Catholics fighting for Ireland or Spain or Poland that they should thinking  a &quot;thoroughly supranational way.&quot;  Nationalism presents problems and has often morphed into a false ideology, but a devotion to one&#039;s patria and natio neither requires one to abandon supra-national affinities (in their proper place) nor does it require fanaticism.  Catholics do in fact love their countries and their countries&#039; national symbols, including flags.  

And if what you say is true, why are the flag-changers so bent on making sure their flag has a religious symbol on it?  If flags are a matter of indifference to Catholics (defined by you), 1.) why are the flags brought on the pilgrimage? 2.) why do the pilgrims think that the national flag should be rectified to match religious belief?  

Now, I personally am ambivalent about the presence of the American Flag within churches, jus as I am ambivalent about the display of the Flag of Vatican City, which is in fact the flag of a foreign state, not of the Pope qua religious leader.  

&quot;Leave nationalism to the Protestants.&quot;  

And leave poor reasoning, non sequiturs, and false dichotomies to them as well.  </description>
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<p>Let me address your concerns.  </p>
<p>First, I apologize for using the word &#8220;defile.&#8221;  This was scandalous.  A sacred image cannot defile a secular one.  </p>
<p>However, I still maintain that the addition of the Sacred Heart where it was added on that pilgrimage flag does indeed *ruin* the symbolism of the flag.  I reiterate:  the *entire point* of the blue field is to display *50* stars for the *50* states.  It doesn&#8217;t matter what you add to that field of stars, if you cover up any one of the stars, you ruin the entire symbolic message of it.  Period.  Don&#8217;t dispute this; you cannot.</p>
<p>Secondly, one might well superimpose a sacred image over the stripes, as the rattlesnake once was so imposed.  </p>
<p>But I ask:  why?  Not every national image or symbol contains a sacred image.  The American Flag is already established.  If you want to come up with some other, specifically religious image for America, knock yourself out.  But it&#8217;s not like the coats-of-arms of every major European ruling house during the era of &#8220;Christendom&#8221; contained a cross or Sacred Heart.  So this impulse to add a Sacred Heart to the flag for the sake of adding a Sacred Heart doesn&#8217;t rest on any necessity.  In fact, the Flag of the Papal States was just red and yellow, no Christian imagery at all:  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_Papal_States_(pre_1808).svg" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_Papal_States_(pre_1808).svg</a>  If Blessed Pope Pius IX saw nothing wrong with that flag, don&#8217;t mess with the American Flag, which is already &#8220;complete,&#8221; in that each element has a significance that should not be obscured by the addition of some other element.</p>
<p>&#8220;Catholics care little about national flags. Nationalism is abhorrent to everybody who by religion should think and feel in a thoroughly supra-national way.&#8221;</p>
<p>I know where you&#8217;re coming from.  And you&#8217;re still very, very wrong.  You make a mistake so typical among traditional Catholics.  From the fact that nationality (forget national*ism*) and national emblems are not everything, you infer that they are nothing.  Or at least that&#8217;s how you talk.  Catholics care little about national flags?  Gee, that&#8217;s awfully enlightening.  Do you have a papal decree on that?  Or maybe you&#8217;re making a broader cultural observation.  Okay, then which Catholic country lacks a national flag?  If national flags matter so little, then why did Our Lord ask for a Sacred Heart to be placed on the French Flag (not, I note, American one)?  Or why did the Catholic claimant to the Throne of France in the late 1800s refuse to restore the Monarchy because the condition for doing so was to accept the Tricolour in place of the French Royal Banner?  Catholics in the Middle Ages knocked themselves out over coats-of-arms, which are related to flags in their symbolism.  If Catholics then were loyal to dynastic and municipal symbols, why not national ones.  Why don&#8217;t you go back in time and tell the Catholics fighting for Ireland or Spain or Poland that they should thinking  a &#8220;thoroughly supranational way.&#8221;  Nationalism presents problems and has often morphed into a false ideology, but a devotion to one&#8217;s patria and natio neither requires one to abandon supra-national affinities (in their proper place) nor does it require fanaticism.  Catholics do in fact love their countries and their countries&#8217; national symbols, including flags.  </p>
<p>And if what you say is true, why are the flag-changers so bent on making sure their flag has a religious symbol on it?  If flags are a matter of indifference to Catholics (defined by you), 1.) why are the flags brought on the pilgrimage? 2.) why do the pilgrims think that the national flag should be rectified to match religious belief?  </p>
<p>Now, I personally am ambivalent about the presence of the American Flag within churches, jus as I am ambivalent about the display of the Flag of Vatican City, which is in fact the flag of a foreign state, not of the Pope qua religious leader.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Leave nationalism to the Protestants.&#8221;  </p>
<p>And leave poor reasoning, non sequiturs, and false dichotomies to them as well.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pesky pilgrimage flags by Catholicus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catholicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 02:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neither do I agree. Catholics care little about national flags. Nationalism is abhorrent to everybody who by religion should think and feel in a thoroughly supra-national way. My diocese, for example, has since time immemorial prohibited the display of the US flag in churches (and at military funerals it must be taken off the casket before it is carried into the nave). Leave nationalism to the Protestants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither do I agree. Catholics care little about national flags. Nationalism is abhorrent to everybody who by religion should think and feel in a thoroughly supra-national way. My diocese, for example, has since time immemorial prohibited the display of the US flag in churches (and at military funerals it must be taken off the casket before it is carried into the nave). Leave nationalism to the Protestants.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Veiling, One More Time by Husso Nhasyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Husso Nhasyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have your cake and eat it kind of a dillema. What should today&#039;s  grooms do? Have a great reception or save for a  house? I would  take the second any day</description>
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		<title>Comment on Pesky pilgrimage flags by Gemma D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gemma D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree. Which comes first, the Sacred Heart of Jesus or a country&#039;s flag? You seem to be saying that Jesus is getting in the way of America&#039;s identity. Also &quot;defile&quot; is a completely inappropriate word to pair with the Sacred Heart of Jesus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree. Which comes first, the Sacred Heart of Jesus or a country&#8217;s flag? You seem to be saying that Jesus is getting in the way of America&#8217;s identity. Also &#8220;defile&#8221; is a completely inappropriate word to pair with the Sacred Heart of Jesus.</p>
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