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		<title>Comment on More Musings on Martyrs by The Gift of Counsel at Cornell Society for a Good Time</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/10/more-musings-on-martyrs/#comment-51531</link>
		<author>The Gift of Counsel at Cornell Society for a Good Time</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 04:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Mass, this one about what to do if a church is burning down with the Blessed Sacrament inside, or this one on when it is and is not appropriate to pursue martyrdom, all present scenarios in which the Gift [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Mass, this one about what to do if a church is burning down with the Blessed Sacrament inside, or this one on when it is and is not appropriate to pursue martyrdom, all present scenarios in which the Gift [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on In the event of an emergency&#8230; by The Gift of Counsel at Cornell Society for a Good Time</title>
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		<author>The Gift of Counsel at Cornell Society for a Good Time</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 03:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/10/in-the-event-of-an-emergency/#comment-51529</guid>
					<description>[...] counsel would be needed. This recent discussion of the advisability (for women) of veiling at Mass, this one about what to do if a church is burning down with the Blessed Sacrament inside, or this one on when [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] counsel would be needed. This recent discussion of the advisability (for women) of veiling at Mass, this one about what to do if a church is burning down with the Blessed Sacrament inside, or this one on when [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Veiling, One More Time by The Gift of Counsel at Cornell Society for a Good Time</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/04/veiling-one-more-time/#comment-51528</link>
		<author>The Gift of Counsel at Cornell Society for a Good Time</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 03:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] on this blog might provide examples of situations in which the Gift of counsel would be needed. This recent discussion of the advisability (for women) of veiling at Mass, this one about what to do if a church is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] on this blog might provide examples of situations in which the Gift of counsel would be needed. This recent discussion of the advisability (for women) of veiling at Mass, this one about what to do if a church is [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Gift of Fear by Clara</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/the-gift-of-fear/#comment-51422</link>
		<author>Clara</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 02:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/the-gift-of-fear/#comment-51422</guid>
					<description>Very true, Discipule, and such homilies certainly can have their place! I do think that sort of thing can be overdone... but we don't seem to be in much danger of it in the Church today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true, Discipule, and such homilies certainly can have their place! I do think that sort of thing can be overdone&#8230; but we don&#8217;t seem to be in much danger of it in the Church today.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Poking some good-natured fun by Clara</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/poking-some-good-natured-fun/#comment-51420</link>
		<author>Clara</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 02:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/poking-some-good-natured-fun/#comment-51420</guid>
					<description>I'll confess I had never heard of that (though it makes sense when you think about it), but I would still protest that, in the sense St. Thomas seems to mean, it is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; possible for a woman to become double-pregnant. That is, &lt;i&gt;once&lt;/i&gt; a woman is pregnant (at the very least once the fertilized egg has embedded itself), it is not possible for her to become pregnant again until after the conclusion of the first pregnancy. However, I applaud you for catching my mistake, Breier! It &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; possible for a woman to carry two babies by two different fathers at the same time.

And I suppose it is just possible that a case like this was seen in Greece, close enough to Aristotle's time to be responsible for getting the whole idea started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll confess I had never heard of that (though it makes sense when you think about it), but I would still protest that, in the sense St. Thomas seems to mean, it is <i>not</i> possible for a woman to become double-pregnant. That is, <i>once</i> a woman is pregnant (at the very least once the fertilized egg has embedded itself), it is not possible for her to become pregnant again until after the conclusion of the first pregnancy. However, I applaud you for catching my mistake, Breier! It <i>is</i> possible for a woman to carry two babies by two different fathers at the same time.</p>
<p>And I suppose it is just possible that a case like this was seen in Greece, close enough to Aristotle&#8217;s time to be responsible for getting the whole idea started.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Poking some good-natured fun by Breier</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/poking-some-good-natured-fun/#comment-51418</link>
		<author>Breier</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 01:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/poking-some-good-natured-fun/#comment-51418</guid>
					<description>Thomas may have the last laugh!

Human double pregnancy, though rare, is possible.  It's called superfecundation.  Twins can be born with different fathers.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7871943

"It is estimated that at least one dizygotic (DZ) twin maternity in twelve is preceded by superfecundation (the fertilization of two ova by sperm from different coitions). Presumably this parameter varies from population to population eg. with coital rates and rates of double ovulation. Sometimes superfecundation occurs by two different men. The frequency with which this occurs must depend on rates of infidelity (promiscuity). It is suggested that among DZ twins born to married white women in the U.S., about one pair in 400 is bipaternal. The incidence may be substantially higher in small selected groups of dizygotic twin maternities, eg. those of women engaged in prostitution."

  
This froma medical abstract taken from a Chinese case report:

If a female has sexual intercourse with two males at short intervals within the same ovulatory period, superfecundation may occur. This article reports two cases of paternity identification in twins. The results showed that each twin had come from a different father. Thus, great attention should be paid to such a situation when the twin paternity identification is asked for.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8064269?dopt=Abstract

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfecundation

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_213.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas may have the last laugh!</p>
<p>Human double pregnancy, though rare, is possible.  It&#8217;s called superfecundation.  Twins can be born with different fathers.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7871943" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7871943</a></p>
<p>&#8220;It is estimated that at least one dizygotic (DZ) twin maternity in twelve is preceded by superfecundation (the fertilization of two ova by sperm from different coitions). Presumably this parameter varies from population to population eg. with coital rates and rates of double ovulation. Sometimes superfecundation occurs by two different men. The frequency with which this occurs must depend on rates of infidelity (promiscuity). It is suggested that among DZ twins born to married white women in the U.S., about one pair in 400 is bipaternal. The incidence may be substantially higher in small selected groups of dizygotic twin maternities, eg. those of women engaged in prostitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>This froma medical abstract taken from a Chinese case report:</p>
<p>If a female has sexual intercourse with two males at short intervals within the same ovulatory period, superfecundation may occur. This article reports two cases of paternity identification in twins. The results showed that each twin had come from a different father. Thus, great attention should be paid to such a situation when the twin paternity identification is asked for.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8064269?dopt=Abstract" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8064269?dopt=Abstract</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfecundation" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfecundation</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_213.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_213.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on The Gift of Piety by Santiago</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/the-gift-of-piety/#comment-51353</link>
		<author>Santiago</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 14:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/the-gift-of-piety/#comment-51353</guid>
					<description>Hello. Congratulations for your blog. Do you know why the young people pray the holy rosary? You can watch here fifty testimonies of young university students
(in Spanish, with english subtitles)
See it:  http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=YxjjyXhO9EA
It is one of the most watched videos on Youtube in May.

Santiago (Granada, Spain)
http://opinionciudadano.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello. Congratulations for your blog. Do you know why the young people pray the holy rosary? You can watch here fifty testimonies of young university students<br />
(in Spanish, with english subtitles)<br />
See it:  <a href="http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=YxjjyXhO9EA" rel="nofollow">http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=YxjjyXhO9EA</a><br />
It is one of the most watched videos on Youtube in May.</p>
<p>Santiago (Granada, Spain)<br />
<a href="http://opinionciudadano.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://opinionciudadano.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on The Gift of Fear by Discipulus</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/the-gift-of-fear/#comment-51321</link>
		<author>Discipulus</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 10:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/the-gift-of-fear/#comment-51321</guid>
					<description>One of the things that distinguishes Traditionalists from those other people is their appreciation of the truth, “Fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom.” And so you’ll often hear them asking for an old fashioned sermon on the four Last Things.  “Father, talk to us about death, Judgment, the end of the world, and that Dies Irae.  We’ve heard enough about love. Please, Father, scare the Hell out of us.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things that distinguishes Traditionalists from those other people is their appreciation of the truth, “Fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom.” And so you’ll often hear them asking for an old fashioned sermon on the four Last Things.  “Father, talk to us about death, Judgment, the end of the world, and that Dies Irae.  We’ve heard enough about love. Please, Father, scare the Hell out of us.”</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Gifts of the Holy Spirit by Lucy</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/happy-pentecost-2/#comment-51208</link>
		<author>Lucy</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 02:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/happy-pentecost-2/#comment-51208</guid>
					<description>Ok...that explains things.  I didn't know all that.  It sounds like a much better process actually.  I've often thought to myself how terrible it would be to decide you wanted to become a Catholic right after Easter Vigil and then have to wait an entire year to be baptized!  Thanks for clarifying.  Happy anniversary of your baptism!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok&#8230;that explains things.  I didn&#8217;t know all that.  It sounds like a much better process actually.  I&#8217;ve often thought to myself how terrible it would be to decide you wanted to become a Catholic right after Easter Vigil and then have to wait an entire year to be baptized!  Thanks for clarifying.  Happy anniversary of your baptism!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Gifts of the Holy Spirit by Clara</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/happy-pentecost-2/#comment-51207</link>
		<author>Clara</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 01:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/happy-pentecost-2/#comment-51207</guid>
					<description>Hi Lucy,

Actually, I'm not very expert on this either, but this is what I can tell you. Traditional parishes don't have RCIA programs. That's a relatively recent thing; the story is that it's a return to how things were done in the earlier centuries of the Church, but I won't try to enter into the debate about the extent to which that's true. Anyway, before Vatican II there was of course catechesis for adult converts, but it was normally undertaken by some specific individual (usually a priest or nun, but it could also be a deacon or even a layman with the priest's approval.) There was no set rule about how long the period of catechesis had to be or how many "lessons" had to be involved, but I think the usual thing was to go through some catechism or other. And this is the way things are normally done in Traditional parishes. The baptism could take place anytime after the person's pastor was satisfied that he was ready. Probably it wasn't uncommon for more than one person to be catechized by the same person at the same time (especially if, for example, multiple members of the same family were converting together) but there wasn't a formal class, and there were none of those preparatory rites like they have during Lent in Novus parishes.

In my case, I was catechized by a deacon (a training deacon, so my catechist is now a priest) by going through the Baltimore Catechism. We met five or six times, I don't remember precisely, and then when we had finished the catechism the priest interviewed me and satisfied himself that I had been adequately prepared. And then I was baptized on the Vigil of Pentecost, with a handful of friends from this Society in attendance. I think Easter is still sort of the presumptive date for baptism of adult converts, but Traditional parishes are just a lot less set on those sorts of formalities than Novus ones.

The other thing is, though, that I don't think most Traditional parishes get that many adult converts. I could be wrong about that, but my general impression is that most don't really get enough interested people to make it worth having a regular annual class in any case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lucy,</p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;m not very expert on this either, but this is what I can tell you. Traditional parishes don&#8217;t have RCIA programs. That&#8217;s a relatively recent thing; the story is that it&#8217;s a return to how things were done in the earlier centuries of the Church, but I won&#8217;t try to enter into the debate about the extent to which that&#8217;s true. Anyway, before Vatican II there was of course catechesis for adult converts, but it was normally undertaken by some specific individual (usually a priest or nun, but it could also be a deacon or even a layman with the priest&#8217;s approval.) There was no set rule about how long the period of catechesis had to be or how many &#8220;lessons&#8221; had to be involved, but I think the usual thing was to go through some catechism or other. And this is the way things are normally done in Traditional parishes. The baptism could take place anytime after the person&#8217;s pastor was satisfied that he was ready. Probably it wasn&#8217;t uncommon for more than one person to be catechized by the same person at the same time (especially if, for example, multiple members of the same family were converting together) but there wasn&#8217;t a formal class, and there were none of those preparatory rites like they have during Lent in Novus parishes.</p>
<p>In my case, I was catechized by a deacon (a training deacon, so my catechist is now a priest) by going through the Baltimore Catechism. We met five or six times, I don&#8217;t remember precisely, and then when we had finished the catechism the priest interviewed me and satisfied himself that I had been adequately prepared. And then I was baptized on the Vigil of Pentecost, with a handful of friends from this Society in attendance. I think Easter is still sort of the presumptive date for baptism of adult converts, but Traditional parishes are just a lot less set on those sorts of formalities than Novus ones.</p>
<p>The other thing is, though, that I don&#8217;t think most Traditional parishes get that many adult converts. I could be wrong about that, but my general impression is that most don&#8217;t really get enough interested people to make it worth having a regular annual class in any case.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Gifts of the Holy Spirit by Lucy</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/happy-pentecost-2/#comment-51204</link>
		<author>Lucy</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 01:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/happy-pentecost-2/#comment-51204</guid>
					<description>? What is that supposed to mean?  Isn't there some sort of preparatory class or process someone must go through to be baptized into the Catholic Church?  Aren't there certain times and days that the baptism must take place on (I always thought it was Easter Vigil).  I am quite confused...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>? What is that supposed to mean?  Isn&#8217;t there some sort of preparatory class or process someone must go through to be baptized into the Catholic Church?  Aren&#8217;t there certain times and days that the baptism must take place on (I always thought it was Easter Vigil).  I am quite confused&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Gifts of the Holy Spirit by Doctor Asinorum</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/happy-pentecost-2/#comment-51199</link>
		<author>Doctor Asinorum</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 00:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/happy-pentecost-2/#comment-51199</guid>
					<description>Trads don't do RCIA...</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Gifts of the Holy Spirit by Lucy</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/happy-pentecost-2/#comment-51193</link>
		<author>Lucy</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 22:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/happy-pentecost-2/#comment-51193</guid>
					<description>I was wondering...how is it you were baptized on Pentecost?  I was always under the impression that the only time adults could be baptized was at Easter Vigil?  But then again, I am not very learned on such things.  So can adults be baptized any time then?  (Providing they go through RCIA, of course). 

I look forward to the series on the gifts of the Holy Spirit...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering&#8230;how is it you were baptized on Pentecost?  I was always under the impression that the only time adults could be baptized was at Easter Vigil?  But then again, I am not very learned on such things.  So can adults be baptized any time then?  (Providing they go through RCIA, of course). </p>
<p>I look forward to the series on the gifts of the Holy Spirit&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stirring the Muck by Clara</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/04/stirring-the-muck/#comment-50529</link>
		<author>Clara</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 15:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/04/stirring-the-muck/#comment-50529</guid>
					<description>I'm no biologist, so I can't discuss the scientific plausibility of ID, but from the standpoint of Catholic metaphysics I'd say it solves a lot more problems than it creates. I understand what Ambrosius says about wanting to tell a story of the natural development of the world that doesn't call for regular divine intervention. When it comes to the origin of a species, though, I think the traditional understanding of what a species is almost necessitates some special action of grace. This shouldn't be a totally crazy idea, and I don't think it necessarily need involve God "breaking" his own laws. Our story of human salvation involves regular occurrences of God pouring out grace on particular people, and nothing about this seems illegitimate to us. I don't see why it would be so extremely problematic to suppose that, like the salvation of man, creation is accomplished over time, with regular outpouring of grace throughout.

I think this issue gets confused sometimes because people don't understand what the "problem" really is. They think that they only need to explain how evolution is compatible with divine causality, and if that were the challenge it really would be easy because we have lots of practice explaining how divine and natural causality can simultaneously be attributed to the same thing or event. Pretty much all events in the natural world require those sorts of explanation, so if that were the only problem there would be nothing special about evolution per se.

That isn't the main problem, however. The real problem is about teleology. Catholics have always taken it that species all fit into natural kinds, each with its own specific telos. Needless to say, this view of things becomes quite confused when natural kinds are always gradually morphing into other natural kinds -- how can that be reconciled to a thing's OWN telos? 

I'm not saying that ID is the only way to deal with this, but if we're to hang onto a natural kinds view (and really, as Catholics we can't possibly let that go) it seems like we'll need some special action of grace to allow a thing to "telos-jump" from one kind to another... And it'll be much easier to handle if it happens in relatively dramatic bursts and not through a slow and gradual morphing. Which is why I say, from a metaphysical standpoint, ID starts to look relatively appealing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no biologist, so I can&#8217;t discuss the scientific plausibility of ID, but from the standpoint of Catholic metaphysics I&#8217;d say it solves a lot more problems than it creates. I understand what Ambrosius says about wanting to tell a story of the natural development of the world that doesn&#8217;t call for regular divine intervention. When it comes to the origin of a species, though, I think the traditional understanding of what a species is almost necessitates some special action of grace. This shouldn&#8217;t be a totally crazy idea, and I don&#8217;t think it necessarily need involve God &#8220;breaking&#8221; his own laws. Our story of human salvation involves regular occurrences of God pouring out grace on particular people, and nothing about this seems illegitimate to us. I don&#8217;t see why it would be so extremely problematic to suppose that, like the salvation of man, creation is accomplished over time, with regular outpouring of grace throughout.</p>
<p>I think this issue gets confused sometimes because people don&#8217;t understand what the &#8220;problem&#8221; really is. They think that they only need to explain how evolution is compatible with divine causality, and if that were the challenge it really would be easy because we have lots of practice explaining how divine and natural causality can simultaneously be attributed to the same thing or event. Pretty much all events in the natural world require those sorts of explanation, so if that were the only problem there would be nothing special about evolution per se.</p>
<p>That isn&#8217;t the main problem, however. The real problem is about teleology. Catholics have always taken it that species all fit into natural kinds, each with its own specific telos. Needless to say, this view of things becomes quite confused when natural kinds are always gradually morphing into other natural kinds &#8212; how can that be reconciled to a thing&#8217;s OWN telos? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that ID is the only way to deal with this, but if we&#8217;re to hang onto a natural kinds view (and really, as Catholics we can&#8217;t possibly let that go) it seems like we&#8217;ll need some special action of grace to allow a thing to &#8220;telos-jump&#8221; from one kind to another&#8230; And it&#8217;ll be much easier to handle if it happens in relatively dramatic bursts and not through a slow and gradual morphing. Which is why I say, from a metaphysical standpoint, ID starts to look relatively appealing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stirring the Muck by Ambrosius</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/04/stirring-the-muck/#comment-50520</link>
		<author>Ambrosius</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 14:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/04/stirring-the-muck/#comment-50520</guid>
					<description>I was just writing some thoughts for a friend on intelligent design, which I thought might be relevant here:
I'm not sure that the intelligent design focus is one consonant with a right understanding of God's creative nature. God as creator who makes things directly, all at once, rather made sense -- and was indubitably the default view for most of the history of the world and of Christianity. But their new idea, that God more or less used natural processes to shape the world over a long time before humans were brought in, but occasionally "broke" his own laws in the unfolding of that process, seems to me to be a very strange concept: the miraculous in Biblical and Catholic history is always to a purpose, and though I guess a hidden underpinning of the miraculous in, say, the structure of DNA or something could be a sign in a similar sense to the biblical miracles, it seems to me more likely not to be. This is because, I think, God's acting in Nature is chiefly characterized by reliability and faithfulness: He made the rules and He sticks to them, so we can count on the world being the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, until He brings it to an end. But the incursions of alterations in the fundamental fabric of how nature works, temporarily, during the reign of the laws which God Himself set up, looks more like poor planning -- which He is not capable of -- than it does of a secret signpost pointing the way to Him -- not because God doesn't use signs to help us, but because His use of those signs has always been allied to Revelation of the Law, or of Christ, rather than as a help to the incredulous to believe in Him at all. Blessed is the man who has not seen, yet has still believed! Aquinas' proofs for God's existence don't rely on the miraculous, and if that was good enough for Aquinas, it's good enough for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just writing some thoughts for a friend on intelligent design, which I thought might be relevant here:<br />
I&#8217;m not sure that the intelligent design focus is one consonant with a right understanding of God&#8217;s creative nature. God as creator who makes things directly, all at once, rather made sense &#8212; and was indubitably the default view for most of the history of the world and of Christianity. But their new idea, that God more or less used natural processes to shape the world over a long time before humans were brought in, but occasionally &#8220;broke&#8221; his own laws in the unfolding of that process, seems to me to be a very strange concept: the miraculous in Biblical and Catholic history is always to a purpose, and though I guess a hidden underpinning of the miraculous in, say, the structure of DNA or something could be a sign in a similar sense to the biblical miracles, it seems to me more likely not to be. This is because, I think, God&#8217;s acting in Nature is chiefly characterized by reliability and faithfulness: He made the rules and He sticks to them, so we can count on the world being the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, until He brings it to an end. But the incursions of alterations in the fundamental fabric of how nature works, temporarily, during the reign of the laws which God Himself set up, looks more like poor planning &#8212; which He is not capable of &#8212; than it does of a secret signpost pointing the way to Him &#8212; not because God doesn&#8217;t use signs to help us, but because His use of those signs has always been allied to Revelation of the Law, or of Christ, rather than as a help to the incredulous to believe in Him at all. Blessed is the man who has not seen, yet has still believed! Aquinas&#8217; proofs for God&#8217;s existence don&#8217;t rely on the miraculous, and if that was good enough for Aquinas, it&#8217;s good enough for me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stirring the Muck by anon</title>
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		<author>anon</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 07:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Haven't seen the film yet, as American films tend to come out in the UK a few months after.  However, I will probably see it when I come home, just so I can make my own judgment about the way Expelled depicted the evolution/ID debate.

I don't suppose Stein ever mentioned Cardinal Schonborn's writings on Evolution?  I haven't read his book myself, but it just seems to me that Catholics have never had the same kind of trouble reconciling evolution (but NOT dogmatic Darwinism) and their faith that many Protestants have.  Of course, I believe that quite a few members of the Discovery Institute are Catholic, so ID isn't necessarily just a Protestant enterprise.

Also, there are quite a few scientists/theologians who criticize Darwinism but nonetheless do not accept ID, mostly because they think that ID needlessly opens itself to criticism from evolutionists (i.e. the whole "God-of-the-gaps" approach).  Alister McGrath and Francis Collins are the names that immediately come to mind.  

Again, I'm hardly an expert on this whole subject, but these are just my thoughts upon reading this post.  Any book suggestions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t seen the film yet, as American films tend to come out in the UK a few months after.  However, I will probably see it when I come home, just so I can make my own judgment about the way Expelled depicted the evolution/ID debate.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t suppose Stein ever mentioned Cardinal Schonborn&#8217;s writings on Evolution?  I haven&#8217;t read his book myself, but it just seems to me that Catholics have never had the same kind of trouble reconciling evolution (but NOT dogmatic Darwinism) and their faith that many Protestants have.  Of course, I believe that quite a few members of the Discovery Institute are Catholic, so ID isn&#8217;t necessarily just a Protestant enterprise.</p>
<p>Also, there are quite a few scientists/theologians who criticize Darwinism but nonetheless do not accept ID, mostly because they think that ID needlessly opens itself to criticism from evolutionists (i.e. the whole &#8220;God-of-the-gaps&#8221; approach).  Alister McGrath and Francis Collins are the names that immediately come to mind.  </p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m hardly an expert on this whole subject, but these are just my thoughts upon reading this post.  Any book suggestions?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Poking some good-natured fun by Luke J.</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/poking-some-good-natured-fun/#comment-50099</link>
		<author>Luke J.</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 18:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>On a similar topic, but on a more serious level, I've been reading The Rise of Christianity by Rodney Stark, and it's really interesting to see how much of a role the Church's strong stance against abortion, which along with infanticide, were widely practiced and accepted in the early centuries of the empire, helped with the spread of the faith

Athenagoras:

"We say that women who use drugs to bring on an abortion commit murder, and will have to give an account to God for the abortion . . . [for we] regard the very foetus in the womb as a created being, and therefore an object of God's care . . . and [we do not] expose an infant, because those who expose them are chargeable with child-murder."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a similar topic, but on a more serious level, I&#8217;ve been reading The Rise of Christianity by Rodney Stark, and it&#8217;s really interesting to see how much of a role the Church&#8217;s strong stance against abortion, which along with infanticide, were widely practiced and accepted in the early centuries of the empire, helped with the spread of the faith</p>
<p>Athenagoras:</p>
<p>&#8220;We say that women who use drugs to bring on an abortion commit murder, and will have to give an account to God for the abortion . . . [for we] regard the very foetus in the womb as a created being, and therefore an object of God&#8217;s care . . . and [we do not] expose an infant, because those who expose them are chargeable with child-murder.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Poking some good-natured fun by JJ</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/poking-some-good-natured-fun/#comment-49601</link>
		<author>JJ</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 18:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I doubt any of the above-mentioned saints would have the slightest interest in being patrons of NFP. You can relax. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt any of the above-mentioned saints would have the slightest interest in being patrons of NFP. You can relax. :-)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Poking some good-natured fun by Discipulus</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/poking-some-good-natured-fun/#comment-48863</link>
		<author>Discipulus</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 22:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>O Felices Culpae that would forever ban these Church Doctors from becoming Patron Saints of NFP!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Poking some good-natured fun by Ambrosius</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/poking-some-good-natured-fun/#comment-48803</link>
		<author>Ambrosius</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 17:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/poking-some-good-natured-fun/#comment-48803</guid>
					<description>On a tangentially related note, I have recently been reading St. Francis de Sales, who loves -- in his Introduction to the Devout Life -- to make his maxims concrete and memorable by applying analogies to the natural world. However, many of these analogies are hilariously inaccurate in much the same way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a tangentially related note, I have recently been reading St. Francis de Sales, who loves &#8212; in his Introduction to the Devout Life &#8212; to make his maxims concrete and memorable by applying analogies to the natural world. However, many of these analogies are hilariously inaccurate in much the same way.</p>
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