Comments on: Poking some good-natured fun http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/poking-some-good-natured-fun/ Unity in charity, diversity in truth Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:51:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: deformities of babies due to drug abuse http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/poking-some-good-natured-fun/#comment-55515 deformities of babies due to drug abuse Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:07:19 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/poking-some-good-natured-fun/#comment-55515 <strong>deformities of babies due to drug abuse...</strong> Do you have a newsletter to sign up to?... deformities of babies due to drug abuse…

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]]> By: Clara http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/poking-some-good-natured-fun/#comment-51420 Clara Thu, 15 May 2008 02:09:26 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/poking-some-good-natured-fun/#comment-51420 I'll confess I had never heard of that (though it makes sense when you think about it), but I would still protest that, in the sense St. Thomas seems to mean, it is <i>not</i> possible for a woman to become double-pregnant. That is, <i>once</i> a woman is pregnant (at the very least once the fertilized egg has embedded itself), it is not possible for her to become pregnant again until after the conclusion of the first pregnancy. However, I applaud you for catching my mistake, Breier! It <i>is</i> possible for a woman to carry two babies by two different fathers at the same time. And I suppose it is just possible that a case like this was seen in Greece, close enough to Aristotle's time to be responsible for getting the whole idea started. I’ll confess I had never heard of that (though it makes sense when you think about it), but I would still protest that, in the sense St. Thomas seems to mean, it is not possible for a woman to become double-pregnant. That is, once a woman is pregnant (at the very least once the fertilized egg has embedded itself), it is not possible for her to become pregnant again until after the conclusion of the first pregnancy. However, I applaud you for catching my mistake, Breier! It is possible for a woman to carry two babies by two different fathers at the same time.

And I suppose it is just possible that a case like this was seen in Greece, close enough to Aristotle’s time to be responsible for getting the whole idea started.

]]> By: Breier http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/poking-some-good-natured-fun/#comment-51418 Breier Thu, 15 May 2008 01:58:03 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/poking-some-good-natured-fun/#comment-51418 Thomas may have the last laugh! Human double pregnancy, though rare, is possible. It's called superfecundation. Twins can be born with different fathers. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7871943 "It is estimated that at least one dizygotic (DZ) twin maternity in twelve is preceded by superfecundation (the fertilization of two ova by sperm from different coitions). Presumably this parameter varies from population to population eg. with coital rates and rates of double ovulation. Sometimes superfecundation occurs by two different men. The frequency with which this occurs must depend on rates of infidelity (promiscuity). It is suggested that among DZ twins born to married white women in the U.S., about one pair in 400 is bipaternal. The incidence may be substantially higher in small selected groups of dizygotic twin maternities, eg. those of women engaged in prostitution." This froma medical abstract taken from a Chinese case report: If a female has sexual intercourse with two males at short intervals within the same ovulatory period, superfecundation may occur. This article reports two cases of paternity identification in twins. The results showed that each twin had come from a different father. Thus, great attention should be paid to such a situation when the twin paternity identification is asked for. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8064269?dopt=Abstract http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfecundation http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_213.html Thomas may have the last laugh!

Human double pregnancy, though rare, is possible. It’s called superfecundation. Twins can be born with different fathers.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7871943

“It is estimated that at least one dizygotic (DZ) twin maternity in twelve is preceded by superfecundation (the fertilization of two ova by sperm from different coitions). Presumably this parameter varies from population to population eg. with coital rates and rates of double ovulation. Sometimes superfecundation occurs by two different men. The frequency with which this occurs must depend on rates of infidelity (promiscuity). It is suggested that among DZ twins born to married white women in the U.S., about one pair in 400 is bipaternal. The incidence may be substantially higher in small selected groups of dizygotic twin maternities, eg. those of women engaged in prostitution.”

This froma medical abstract taken from a Chinese case report:

If a female has sexual intercourse with two males at short intervals within the same ovulatory period, superfecundation may occur. This article reports two cases of paternity identification in twins. The results showed that each twin had come from a different father. Thus, great attention should be paid to such a situation when the twin paternity identification is asked for.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8064269?dopt=Abstract

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfecundation

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_213.html

]]> By: Luke J. http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/poking-some-good-natured-fun/#comment-50099 Luke J. Wed, 07 May 2008 18:18:14 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/poking-some-good-natured-fun/#comment-50099 On a similar topic, but on a more serious level, I've been reading The Rise of Christianity by Rodney Stark, and it's really interesting to see how much of a role the Church's strong stance against abortion, which along with infanticide, were widely practiced and accepted in the early centuries of the empire, helped with the spread of the faith Athenagoras: "We say that women who use drugs to bring on an abortion commit murder, and will have to give an account to God for the abortion . . . [for we] regard the very foetus in the womb as a created being, and therefore an object of God's care . . . and [we do not] expose an infant, because those who expose them are chargeable with child-murder." On a similar topic, but on a more serious level, I’ve been reading The Rise of Christianity by Rodney Stark, and it’s really interesting to see how much of a role the Church’s strong stance against abortion, which along with infanticide, were widely practiced and accepted in the early centuries of the empire, helped with the spread of the faith

Athenagoras:

“We say that women who use drugs to bring on an abortion commit murder, and will have to give an account to God for the abortion . . . [for we] regard the very foetus in the womb as a created being, and therefore an object of God’s care . . . and [we do not] expose an infant, because those who expose them are chargeable with child-murder.”

]]> By: JJ http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/poking-some-good-natured-fun/#comment-49601 JJ Mon, 05 May 2008 18:33:11 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/poking-some-good-natured-fun/#comment-49601 I doubt any of the above-mentioned saints would have the slightest interest in being patrons of NFP. You can relax. :-) I doubt any of the above-mentioned saints would have the slightest interest in being patrons of NFP. You can relax. :-)

]]> By: Discipulus http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/poking-some-good-natured-fun/#comment-48863 Discipulus Fri, 02 May 2008 22:35:11 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/poking-some-good-natured-fun/#comment-48863 O Felices Culpae that would forever ban these Church Doctors from becoming Patron Saints of NFP! O Felices Culpae that would forever ban these Church Doctors from becoming Patron Saints of NFP!

]]> By: Ambrosius http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/poking-some-good-natured-fun/#comment-48803 Ambrosius Fri, 02 May 2008 17:33:06 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/poking-some-good-natured-fun/#comment-48803 On a tangentially related note, I have recently been reading St. Francis de Sales, who loves -- in his Introduction to the Devout Life -- to make his maxims concrete and memorable by applying analogies to the natural world. However, many of these analogies are hilariously inaccurate in much the same way. On a tangentially related note, I have recently been reading St. Francis de Sales, who loves — in his Introduction to the Devout Life — to make his maxims concrete and memorable by applying analogies to the natural world. However, many of these analogies are hilariously inaccurate in much the same way.

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