Comments on: Book Review: The Early Papacy to the Synod of Chalcedon in 451 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/book-review-the-early-papacy-to-the-synod-of-chalcedon-in-451/ Unity in charity, diversity in truth Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:53:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Do pray at Cornell Society for a Good Time http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/book-review-the-early-papacy-to-the-synod-of-chalcedon-in-451/#comment-55303 Do pray at Cornell Society for a Good Time Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:20:02 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/book-review-the-early-papacy-to-the-synod-of-chalcedon-in-451/#comment-55303 [...] I have increasingly come to see the situation of the SSPX - in whose chapels I have very often heard Mass, received Communion, and on a couple of occasions, made Confession - in the light of this example from Adrian Fortescue’s The History of the Early Papacy to 451. It concerns the Novatinianist schism - not heresy! - which I have posted here. [...] [...] I have increasingly come to see the situation of the SSPX - in whose chapels I have very often heard Mass, received Communion, and on a couple of occasions, made Confession - in the light of this example from Adrian Fortescue’s The History of the Early Papacy to 451. It concerns the Novatinianist schism - not heresy! - which I have posted here. [...]

]]> By: By whose standard are they in or out? at Cornell Society for a Good Time http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/book-review-the-early-papacy-to-the-synod-of-chalcedon-in-451/#comment-52959 By whose standard are they in or out? at Cornell Society for a Good Time Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:50:10 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/book-review-the-early-papacy-to-the-synod-of-chalcedon-in-451/#comment-52959 [...] my book review of The Early Papacy to the Synod of Chalcedon in 451, and I’ve removed it from there to repost it here. His comment builds upon a point that I quote from Fortescue in my review. [...] [...] my book review of The Early Papacy to the Synod of Chalcedon in 451, and I’ve removed it from there to repost it here. His comment builds upon a point that I quote from Fortescue in my review. [...]

]]> By: Luke J. http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/book-review-the-early-papacy-to-the-synod-of-chalcedon-in-451/#comment-52573 Luke J. Fri, 30 May 2008 00:07:46 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/book-review-the-early-papacy-to-the-synod-of-chalcedon-in-451/#comment-52573 I saw this book at Borders for $13 I saw this book at Borders for $13

]]> By: Iosephus http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/book-review-the-early-papacy-to-the-synod-of-chalcedon-in-451/#comment-52339 Iosephus Mon, 26 May 2008 22:54:40 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/book-review-the-early-papacy-to-the-synod-of-chalcedon-in-451/#comment-52339 Actually, if there's one downside to the book, qua volume from Ignatius Press, that's it: it's rather expensive, I thought. I'm surprised that you mention Chadwick in this context. I'm assuming that his volume isn't (explicitly) polemical, whereas Fortescue's work definitely is; and whereas Chadwick is not polemical, he's also not Catholic. Fortescue, on the other hand, is making an explicitly Catholic case for understanding the certain expressions of the early Church Fathers. Saying that they all endorsed (implicitly) Vatican I is a welcome (and correct)yet bold thesis! Actually, if there’s one downside to the book, qua volume from Ignatius Press, that’s it: it’s rather expensive, I thought.

I’m surprised that you mention Chadwick in this context. I’m assuming that his volume isn’t (explicitly) polemical, whereas Fortescue’s work definitely is; and whereas Chadwick is not polemical, he’s also not Catholic. Fortescue, on the other hand, is making an explicitly Catholic case for understanding the certain expressions of the early Church Fathers. Saying that they all endorsed (implicitly) Vatican I is a welcome (and correct)yet bold thesis!

]]> By: Dustin http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/book-review-the-early-papacy-to-the-synod-of-chalcedon-in-451/#comment-52326 Dustin Mon, 26 May 2008 19:21:30 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2008/05/book-review-the-early-papacy-to-the-synod-of-chalcedon-in-451/#comment-52326 I saw Fortescue's book in the Ignatius Press catalog I get in the mail. Its brevity and price are almost irresistibly attractive. The background here is good to know. Henry Chadwick's "The Early Church," published by Penguin, is the best short treatment I know of the same period. It briefly rubs against the onset of the early Middle Ages and the emerging controversies with the Byzantines, but mostly the action ends with St. Leo and Chalcedon. It's greatest advantage, to me, is that it's mostly organized thematically, rather then chronologically: treatment of the various Christological controversies, notes on the development of liturgy and the emergence of the monarchical papacy each get separate sections. A popular treatment that doesn't shirk the scholarship. While there's no such thing as "nonideological" historiography, this book makes a solid effort. Highly, highly recommended. I appreciate these reviews you guys provide. Your write-up of Benedict's "Jesus of Nazareth" was especially helpful, since I recently got it from the library. I saw Fortescue’s book in the Ignatius Press catalog I get in the mail. Its brevity and price are almost irresistibly attractive. The background here is good to know.

Henry Chadwick’s “The Early Church,” published by Penguin, is the best short treatment I know of the same period. It briefly rubs against the onset of the early Middle Ages and the emerging controversies with the Byzantines, but mostly the action ends with St. Leo and Chalcedon. It’s greatest advantage, to me, is that it’s mostly organized thematically, rather then chronologically: treatment of the various Christological controversies, notes on the development of liturgy and the emergence of the monarchical papacy each get separate sections. A popular treatment that doesn’t shirk the scholarship. While there’s no such thing as “nonideological” historiography, this book makes a solid effort. Highly, highly recommended.

I appreciate these reviews you guys provide. Your write-up of Benedict’s “Jesus of Nazareth” was especially helpful, since I recently got it from the library.

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