Comments on: The Mormon JFK? http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/ Unity in charity, diversity in truth Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:24:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Eric http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-30543 Eric Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:34:44 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-30543 <strong>Eric...</strong> Dating is the act of going out on dates whereby one person socializes with a potential lover using a process that involves scheduled, usually... Eric…

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]]> By: Single-Issue Voters at Cornell Society for a Good Time http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-30071 Single-Issue Voters at Cornell Society for a Good Time Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:44:21 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-30071 [...] positions stand thus. In my post on Mitt Romney last month, I mentioned in passing that, among the Republican candidates, I am somewhat partial to [...] [...] positions stand thus. In my post on Mitt Romney last month, I mentioned in passing that, among the Republican candidates, I am somewhat partial to [...]

]]> By: Johnboy316 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-29831 Johnboy316 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:46:57 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-29831 Andrew -- I don't think Paul's view to evacuate Iraq and all other foreign countries is going to solve the world's ills but will make thinks worse. Prudence doesn't always necessitate a 180-degree turn unless something is clearly wrong. The War on Terror is perhaps a new point of discussion for the Just War doctrine; as Father Corapi stated before the original circumstances of the doctrine did not consider preventative measures by rooting out terrorists who pose threats to civilization. In any case neither did he justify the War on Terror. Andrew — I don’t think Paul’s view to evacuate Iraq and all other foreign countries is going to solve the world’s ills but will make thinks worse. Prudence doesn’t always necessitate a 180-degree turn unless something is clearly wrong. The War on Terror is perhaps a new point of discussion for the Just War doctrine; as Father Corapi stated before the original circumstances of the doctrine did not consider preventative measures by rooting out terrorists who pose threats to civilization. In any case neither did he justify the War on Terror.

]]> By: Johnboy316 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-29830 Johnboy316 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:34:36 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-29830 Clara -- McCain is not an authentic pro-lifer and made a rather discourteous comment toward conservative Christians in his last run for President. If anything back when you wrote McCain was clearly behind in the polls and most would pick either Rudy Guiliani or Mitt Romney. It was only until last week or so (he won New Hampshire -- no surprise BTW because he beat Bush there in 2004) that he's gained momentum. It WILL be short-lived. Prediction -- Huckabee will win South Carolina and will come in the top 3 in Michigan. And also he of course won Iowa already. PS--recently Huckabee did say at a prayer breakfast with Michigan pastors that he supports legislation to ban abortion entirely and NOT leave it up to the states to decide. Clara — McCain is not an authentic pro-lifer and made a rather discourteous comment toward conservative Christians in his last run for President.

If anything back when you wrote McCain was clearly behind in the polls and most would pick either Rudy Guiliani or Mitt Romney. It was only until last week or so (he won New Hampshire — no surprise BTW because he beat Bush there in 2004) that he’s gained momentum. It WILL be short-lived.

Prediction — Huckabee will win South Carolina and will come in the top 3 in Michigan. And also he of course won Iowa already.

PS–recently Huckabee did say at a prayer breakfast with Michigan pastors that he supports legislation to ban abortion entirely and NOT leave it up to the states to decide.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27794 Andrew Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:30:34 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27794 I don't see how Ron Paul is a joke - he voted against the Iraq war from the beginning. And I supported it too at the beginning, but I just don't see the good it has caused. I don't think wars do much good anyways in the first place. Yes he describes himself as a pro-life libertarian. However the Republican Party is controlled by the neo-cons, who are just Democrats in Republican clothing. Alan Keyes is supportable, but yes you're right, he can't win. However, Ron Paul has a much better chance. He raised $6 million in one day - December 16th - and it's all grassroots support. They call it the Ron Paul rEVOLution. Romney flip flops too much on issues, just like Kerry. Huckabee is a conservative, but has other problem issues that I have. McCain I don't think is up for the job. And he too has problem issues. And Guiliani - well it'd be a mortal sin to vote for the cross-dresser. That's fine if you're not informed Clara. So get informed. I don’t see how Ron Paul is a joke - he voted against the Iraq war from the beginning. And I supported it too at the beginning, but I just don’t see the good it has caused. I don’t think wars do much good anyways in the first place. Yes he describes himself as a pro-life libertarian. However the Republican Party is controlled by the neo-cons, who are just Democrats in Republican clothing.

Alan Keyes is supportable, but yes you’re right, he can’t win. However, Ron Paul has a much better chance. He raised $6 million in one day - December 16th - and it’s all grassroots support. They call it the Ron Paul rEVOLution.

Romney flip flops too much on issues, just like Kerry. Huckabee is a conservative, but has other problem issues that I have. McCain I don’t think is up for the job. And he too has problem issues. And Guiliani - well it’d be a mortal sin to vote for the cross-dresser.

That’s fine if you’re not informed Clara. So get informed.

]]> By: Clara http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27768 Clara Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:28:54 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27768 I think McCain could win... he's much more electable than Huckabee, I'm sure, and I think most analysts' projections indicate the same. And I don't really see why a Catholic can't support him, though obviously there are some objections. Anyway. I think McCain could win… he’s much more electable than Huckabee, I’m sure, and I think most analysts’ projections indicate the same. And I don’t really see why a Catholic can’t support him, though obviously there are some objections. Anyway.

]]> By: Johnboy316 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27758 Johnboy316 Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:04:08 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27758 Andrew -- I respect your view. Ron Paul is not a real Republican, though. He is more libertarian and will probably run on the independent party if he loses the Republican primary (which he will). I will contend that Huckabee is very conservative on morals, but not so conservative on other things like immigration, etc. However, Mitt Romney is too much of a politician. Sorry -- Ron Paul is actually a bit of a joke to me when it comes to the Iraq War. He has a good way of whining about it, however (if that's a good thing). If someone was really going to vote for a true conservative Republican (and also Catholic) they would vote for Alan Keyes...however, he will not come close to winning. Let's face it you will have to vote for either Mitt Romney or Huckabee because those will be the ones who could win it (Giuliani could win but he is not a Catholic person's choice in my view). Andrew — I respect your view. Ron Paul is not a real Republican, though. He is more libertarian and will probably run on the independent party if he loses the Republican primary (which he will).

I will contend that Huckabee is very conservative on morals, but not so conservative on other things like immigration, etc. However, Mitt Romney is too much of a politician.

Sorry — Ron Paul is actually a bit of a joke to me when it comes to the Iraq War. He has a good way of whining about it, however (if that’s a good thing).

If someone was really going to vote for a true conservative Republican (and also Catholic) they would vote for Alan Keyes…however, he will not come close to winning.

Let’s face it you will have to vote for either Mitt Romney or Huckabee because those will be the ones who could win it (Giuliani could win but he is not a Catholic person’s choice in my view).

]]> By: Clara http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27699 Clara Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:51:53 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27699 Ha ha... of course, I'm pretty hawkish by nature, and I supported the Iraq war all the way through, so that's not such a powerful recommendation for me... If you really want to know, I'm partial to John McCain. But that's not a fixed decision, nor an endorsement. I told you, I haven't read enough about the candidates yet to say anything very informed. Ha ha… of course, I’m pretty hawkish by nature, and I supported the Iraq war all the way through, so that’s not such a powerful recommendation for me…

If you really want to know, I’m partial to John McCain. But that’s not a fixed decision, nor an endorsement. I told you, I haven’t read enough about the candidates yet to say anything very informed.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27697 Andrew Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:14:13 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27697 I recommend Ron Paul - he's pro-life and was against the Iraq war from the beginning, and he's Republican. http://catholicsforronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods83.html With Ron Paul, I believe a Catholic can choose a candidate who's not the lesser of two evils. He's got principle, and although he is not Catholic, he's the best candidate who is in almost complete agreement with Catholic principles and values. I recommend Ron Paul - he’s pro-life and was against the Iraq war from the beginning, and he’s Republican.

http://catholicsforronpaul.blogspot.com/

http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods83.html

With Ron Paul, I believe a Catholic can choose a candidate who’s not the lesser of two evils. He’s got principle, and although he is not Catholic, he’s the best candidate who is in almost complete agreement with Catholic principles and values.

]]> By: Johnboy316 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27585 Johnboy316 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:36:56 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27585 In any case if a devout Catholic was to choose between Romney or Huckabee I would recommend Huckabee at this point. Do you suggest another candidate? In any case if a devout Catholic was to choose between Romney or Huckabee I would recommend Huckabee at this point. Do you suggest another candidate?

]]> By: Johnboy316 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27575 Johnboy316 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:07:19 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27575 In actuality the Republicans will be running against either Oprah Winfrey (via Barak Obama) or Bill Clinton (via his wife). C'mon America vote for Chuck Norris (via Huckabee)... In actuality the Republicans will be running against either Oprah Winfrey (via Barak Obama) or Bill Clinton (via his wife).

C’mon America vote for Chuck Norris (via Huckabee)…

]]> By: Johnboy316 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27574 Johnboy316 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:39:21 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27574 I assumed your question as to whether Huckabee could win a general election was to compare him and Romney (who I inferred you thought had a better chance). Do I think Huckabee could win -- sure. Also, btw I have no idea if Huckabee supports the Right to Life Act -- he hasn't so far as I know stated the same thing as Romney, however. I feel Romney is trying to placate the pro-choicers to get votes by leaving things up to the states. That is a matter of waiting and seeing. This is of course politics if that is true. I assumed your question as to whether Huckabee could win a general election was to compare him and Romney (who I inferred you thought had a better chance). Do I think Huckabee could win — sure.

Also, btw I have no idea if Huckabee supports the Right to Life Act — he hasn’t so far as I know stated the same thing as Romney, however. I feel Romney is trying to placate the pro-choicers to get votes by leaving things up to the states. That is a matter of waiting and seeing. This is of course politics if that is true.

]]> By: Clara http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27572 Clara Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:49:54 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27572 He's leading among Republicans going into the primaries. That certainly doesn't show that he would be able to win a general election... I'm gravely doubtful. As for the other, great, if it ever happens. But if it's not politically feasible, I wouldn't want to let the better be the enemy of the good. He’s leading among Republicans going into the primaries. That certainly doesn’t show that he would be able to win a general election… I’m gravely doubtful.

As for the other, great, if it ever happens. But if it’s not politically feasible, I wouldn’t want to let the better be the enemy of the good.

]]> By: Johnboy316 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27570 Johnboy316 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:18:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27570 Well -- Huckabee is leading in Iowa and South Carolina in some polls and is slightly behind in New Hampshire if I remember correctly. He was recently and is still now under attack because of his surge and lead. As for the Right to Life Act all I could say is that there are people who support the Right to Life Act. Duncan Hunter and Tancredo (who are also a Republican candidates for president) both support that legislation. Yes, it is possible since what it states agrees with science and today our laws should reflect that and not ignorance. Well — Huckabee is leading in Iowa and South Carolina in some polls and is slightly behind in New Hampshire if I remember correctly.

He was recently and is still now under attack because of his surge and lead.

As for the Right to Life Act all I could say is that there are people who support the Right to Life Act. Duncan Hunter and Tancredo (who are also a Republican candidates for president) both support that legislation.

Yes, it is possible since what it states agrees with science and today our laws should reflect that and not ignorance.

]]> By: Clara http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27558 Clara Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:45:46 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27558 Well, I'm not going to say much about this now, but I think the real question I'd ask you is: how much of what you suggest is actually possible? Do you really think Huckabee could ever win a general election? Is a Right to Live Act actually a possibility in America just now? Well, I’m not going to say much about this now, but I think the real question I’d ask you is: how much of what you suggest is actually possible? Do you really think Huckabee could ever win a general election? Is a Right to Live Act actually a possibility in America just now?

]]> By: Johnboy316 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27539 Johnboy316 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:38:10 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27539 After doing some research it is my opinion that the best political action to overturn Roe v. Wade dead in its tracks is to have congress pass the Right to Life Act which defines a human being as a human being before birth. Roe v. Wade decided the pre-born person is not a human being; however, the decision acknowledges that if the pre-born child is indeed a person then the whole Roe v. Wade thing is totally inconsequential. The 14th Amendment assures life to all persons. Hence the Right to Life Act. Mitt Romney's belief is to (assuming he won't change his view back to what it was 2 or so years ago -- correct if wrong) have Roe v. Wade overturned and then let the states bicker over having abortions legalized since as he states in "Meet The Press" that the country is not ready to embrace a complete pro-life mindset. Thus, the evil will be minimized but not effectively rooted out. This type of pro-life cause is perhaps one means of attaining the end of abortion but other pro-life organizations such as the "American Life League" believe the Right to Life Act means is the best. I agree. Let's stop playing around with chipping away if Congress can pass the Right to Life Act no one would give abortionists the opportunity to prey on mothers anymore. After doing some research it is my opinion that the best political action to overturn Roe v. Wade dead in its tracks is to have congress pass the Right to Life Act which defines a human being as a human being before birth. Roe v. Wade decided the pre-born person is not a human being; however, the decision acknowledges that if the pre-born child is indeed a person then the whole Roe v. Wade thing is totally inconsequential. The 14th Amendment assures life to all persons. Hence the Right to Life Act.

Mitt Romney’s belief is to (assuming he won’t change his view back to what it was 2 or so years ago — correct if wrong) have Roe v. Wade overturned and then let the states bicker over having abortions legalized since as he states in “Meet The Press” that the country is not ready to embrace a complete pro-life mindset. Thus, the evil will be minimized but not effectively rooted out. This type of pro-life cause is perhaps one means of attaining the end of abortion but other pro-life organizations such as the “American Life League” believe the Right to Life Act means is the best. I agree. Let’s stop playing around with chipping away if Congress can pass the Right to Life Act no one would give abortionists the opportunity to prey on mothers anymore.

]]> By: Johnboy316 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27433 Johnboy316 Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:48:49 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27433 BTW -- this morning on "Meet The Press" Romney said he'd like to put abortion rights in the hands of individual states (Sounds like Rudy Giuliani's view). BTW — this morning on “Meet The Press” Romney said he’d like to put abortion rights in the hands of individual states (Sounds like Rudy Giuliani’s view).

]]> By: Johnboy316 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27430 Johnboy316 Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:40:09 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27430 Although Romney does seem like a good guy I think from watching the debates and news interviews that Huckabee is a solid choice for the Republican primary (and for President). He seems to be a refreshing change in politics at this point and has conservative values Although I don't particularly agree with his stance on capital punishment -- which is that it is necessary today (and also a difficult thing) for certain heinous crimes -- I liked his response in a debate about the death penalty when a questioner asked "what would Jesus do" he said "he wouldn't be running for president" or something like that. To me Romney's Mormonism versus Huckabee's Evangelicalism is not so relevant. What is being stated on political debates and news interviews is. I noticed Huckabee's refreshing style of debate, obvious conservative moral values, and genuineness long before his surge. I never thought he'd gain such momentum as he has now. Although Romney does seem like a good guy I think from watching the debates and news interviews that Huckabee is a solid choice for the Republican primary (and for President). He seems to be a refreshing change in politics at this point and has conservative values Although I don’t particularly agree with his stance on capital punishment — which is that it is necessary today (and also a difficult thing) for certain heinous crimes — I liked his response in a debate about the death penalty when a questioner asked “what would Jesus do” he said “he wouldn’t be running for president” or something like that.

To me Romney’s Mormonism versus Huckabee’s Evangelicalism is not so relevant. What is being stated on political debates and news interviews is. I noticed Huckabee’s refreshing style of debate, obvious conservative moral values, and genuineness long before his surge. I never thought he’d gain such momentum as he has now.

]]> By: kRad http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27301 kRad Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:16:07 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27301 Thanks for the great article. You mentioned that Mormons don't have a catechism per say. They do have 'Gospel Principles' that our taught to all members. The following website does a nice job of comparing those beliefs with true Catholic teaching. It does this fairly I think by linking directly to the mormon beliefs so that one can read what they say 'from the horse’s mouth'... http://comparing-views.com/ Thanks for the great article. You mentioned that Mormons don’t have a catechism per say. They do have ‘Gospel Principles’ that our taught to all members. The following website does a nice job of comparing those beliefs with true Catholic teaching. It does this fairly I think by linking directly to the mormon beliefs so that one can read what they say ‘from the horse’s mouth’…

http://comparing-views.com/

]]> By: Clara http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27098 Clara Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:15:52 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/12/the-mormon-jfk/#comment-27098 Okay, sure, I've left the door open for that possibility. Romney himself may not be a great representative of Mormon values, and <i>that</i> would be a fair reason not to vote for him. On another quick note: sorry about the formatting problems. My blogging program has been doing some quirky things (it also posted an unfinished draft of a post I'm still working on... sorry to anybody who read that this morning and was confused.) It was too late last night when I put this up, so I only just noticed the glitch, but I've fixed it now. Okay, sure, I’ve left the door open for that possibility. Romney himself may not be a great representative of Mormon values, and that would be a fair reason not to vote for him.

On another quick note: sorry about the formatting problems. My blogging program has been doing some quirky things (it also posted an unfinished draft of a post I’m still working on… sorry to anybody who read that this morning and was confused.) It was too late last night when I put this up, so I only just noticed the glitch, but I’ve fixed it now.

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