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	<title>Comments on: The Challenges of Diversity</title>
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	<description>Unity in charity, diversity in truth</description>
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		<title>By: Clara</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/10/the-challenges-of-diversity/#comment-21287</link>
		<dc:creator>Clara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 05:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm absolutely with you on the need for &lt;i&gt;positive&lt;/i&gt; words about traditional Catholicism. It's hard to sell a group whose strongest identifying feature is hatred of Vatican II.

But there are appropriate times for making fun of people. I'd certainly be gentler when talking to a particular undergraduate face-to-face, but the truth is, 1) I don't imagine very many people connected with the CCC actually read this blog, but 2) if they do, you'd probably need something pretty strong to make an impression. Some humor is important in this context to keep from seeming merely mean-spirited. But I honestly believe that a biting satire is more likely to have an effect on a whimsically passing undergrad than a gentle suggestion that perhaps the clergy involved with the CCC aren't everything they should be. You must keep in mind that, in order to do anything about the situation in Ithaca, the individual must be rather determined. There's no convenient alternative, and the chaplains there are not flexible about changing. Gentle advice may be shrugged off with "oh, there might be something in it, but what can I do?" Sterner words have a chance of sticking.

It's a tactical question. I can respect that different people will favor different approaches. But Chesterton seems to have demonstrated that the "biting satire" approach can get some good results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m absolutely with you on the need for <i>positive</i> words about traditional Catholicism. It&#8217;s hard to sell a group whose strongest identifying feature is hatred of Vatican II.</p>
<p>But there are appropriate times for making fun of people. I&#8217;d certainly be gentler when talking to a particular undergraduate face-to-face, but the truth is, 1) I don&#8217;t imagine very many people connected with the CCC actually read this blog, but 2) if they do, you&#8217;d probably need something pretty strong to make an impression. Some humor is important in this context to keep from seeming merely mean-spirited. But I honestly believe that a biting satire is more likely to have an effect on a whimsically passing undergrad than a gentle suggestion that perhaps the clergy involved with the CCC aren&#8217;t everything they should be. You must keep in mind that, in order to do anything about the situation in Ithaca, the individual must be rather determined. There&#8217;s no convenient alternative, and the chaplains there are not flexible about changing. Gentle advice may be shrugged off with &#8220;oh, there might be something in it, but what can I do?&#8221; Sterner words have a chance of sticking.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a tactical question. I can respect that different people will favor different approaches. But Chesterton seems to have demonstrated that the &#8220;biting satire&#8221; approach can get some good results.</p>
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		<title>By: Desperate Housewife #1</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/10/the-challenges-of-diversity/#comment-21277</link>
		<dc:creator>Desperate Housewife #1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll take in in a Chestertonian spirit, sure. But as a point of personal preference, I really wish that traditional Catholics - and I'm one - would spend more time being positive, publicly, about their faith. This site does that, to be sure. But again - and I say this as a friend - the calling-out of Cornell undergrads with heresy talk and, well, insults, does not. I don't know about you, but I wasn't exactly a paragon of Catholic morality as an undergrad, and I needed a helping hand and a positive example to bring me to my current faith. Speaking for myself, only, calling out my television habits and hippie priest would NOT have been the way to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take in in a Chestertonian spirit, sure. But as a point of personal preference, I really wish that traditional Catholics - and I&#8217;m one - would spend more time being positive, publicly, about their faith. This site does that, to be sure. But again - and I say this as a friend - the calling-out of Cornell undergrads with heresy talk and, well, insults, does not. I don&#8217;t know about you, but I wasn&#8217;t exactly a paragon of Catholic morality as an undergrad, and I needed a helping hand and a positive example to bring me to my current faith. Speaking for myself, only, calling out my television habits and hippie priest would NOT have been the way to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Clara</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/10/the-challenges-of-diversity/#comment-21260</link>
		<dc:creator>Clara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well... but what to do if the leadership of the CCC &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; both dumb and heretical? Pointing this out needn't necessarily imply that we think ourselves either brilliant or remarkably holy.

I don't know; I agree that the negativity of traditional Catholics can at times feel oppressive, but I'm not above laughing at the CCC when they say truly ridiculous things. It's the least they deserve for all the damage they've done. Take it in a Chestertonian spirit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230; but what to do if the leadership of the CCC <i>is</i> both dumb and heretical? Pointing this out needn&#8217;t necessarily imply that we think ourselves either brilliant or remarkably holy.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know; I agree that the negativity of traditional Catholics can at times feel oppressive, but I&#8217;m not above laughing at the CCC when they say truly ridiculous things. It&#8217;s the least they deserve for all the damage they&#8217;ve done. Take it in a Chestertonian spirit.</p>
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		<title>By: Desperate Housewife #1</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/10/the-challenges-of-diversity/#comment-21258</link>
		<dc:creator>Desperate Housewife #1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I'm familiar with the CCC, as well as the Cornell Society. And I'm inclined toward the latter, but - on the topic of snarky-ness - I must admit that the "I'm smart, you're dumb" or, conversely "I'm holy, you're a heretic" absolutism of this website is a real drag sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#8217;m familiar with the CCC, as well as the Cornell Society. And I&#8217;m inclined toward the latter, but - on the topic of snarky-ness - I must admit that the &#8220;I&#8217;m smart, you&#8217;re dumb&#8221; or, conversely &#8220;I&#8217;m holy, you&#8217;re a heretic&#8221; absolutism of this website is a real drag sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Clara</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/10/the-challenges-of-diversity/#comment-21244</link>
		<dc:creator>Clara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, the Desperate Housewives reference did not originate with us. This preference was actually expressed by a good percentage of the Cornell Catholic Community, as the bulletin once informed us.

Desperate Housewife, are you familiar at all with the CCC? If so, by all means, offer your opinion of the situation. If not, then please, spare us the snarky remarks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, the Desperate Housewives reference did not originate with us. This preference was actually expressed by a good percentage of the Cornell Catholic Community, as the bulletin once informed us.</p>
<p>Desperate Housewife, are you familiar at all with the CCC? If so, by all means, offer your opinion of the situation. If not, then please, spare us the snarky remarks.</p>
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		<title>By: Iosephus</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/10/the-challenges-of-diversity/#comment-21239</link>
		<dc:creator>Iosephus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 03:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Franciscus reminded me tonight - the bit about Desperate Housewives isn't an educated guess; it was something confirmed by a survey the results of which were delivered to us via the CCC's ever entertaining weekly bulletin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Franciscus reminded me tonight - the bit about Desperate Housewives isn&#8217;t an educated guess; it was something confirmed by a survey the results of which were delivered to us via the CCC&#8217;s ever entertaining weekly bulletin.</p>
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		<title>By: Desperate Housewife #1</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/10/the-challenges-of-diversity/#comment-21235</link>
		<dc:creator>Desperate Housewife #1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 00:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No good reason. It's just nice to know that the folks at the Society are such experts on the ways of the undergraduate heart.

If you didn't have the Cornell Catholic Community, you'd have to invent it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No good reason. It&#8217;s just nice to know that the folks at the Society are such experts on the ways of the undergraduate heart.</p>
<p>If you didn&#8217;t have the Cornell Catholic Community, you&#8217;d have to invent it.</p>
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		<title>By: pomofo</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/10/the-challenges-of-diversity/#comment-21215</link>
		<dc:creator>pomofo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>July 4, 1776.  Final paragraph of the Declaration of Independence:

"We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the World for the Rectitude of our Intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly Publish and Declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political Connection between them and the State of Great-Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm Reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>July 4, 1776.  Final paragraph of the Declaration of Independence:</p>
<p>&#8220;We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the World for the Rectitude of our Intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly Publish and Declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political Connection between them and the State of Great-Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm Reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Iosephus</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/10/the-challenges-of-diversity/#comment-21213</link>
		<dc:creator>Iosephus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When did they go from being colonies to being states?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When did they go from being colonies to being states?</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel J. Howard</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/10/the-challenges-of-diversity/#comment-21197</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel J. Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 06:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"What originally referred to the forming of one nation from many independent states [er, colonies]"

Er... states actually.  "We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled..." (from the Declaration of Independence).

http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/declaration_transcript.html

This is an important (political) conservative point actually, because it emphasizes the sovreignty of the states and the federalist nature of our system of government in which only certain powers are delegated to the federal government by the states and certain matters not properly the purview of the federal government may be or in the past were allowed to be considered by the states, for instance, the establishment of religion at the time of the Founding.  "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" but before the doctrine of incorporation, states had religious tests, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What originally referred to the forming of one nation from many independent states [er, colonies]&#8221;</p>
<p>Er&#8230; states actually.  &#8220;We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled&#8230;&#8221; (from the Declaration of Independence).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/declaration_transcript.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/declaration_transcript.html</a></p>
<p>This is an important (political) conservative point actually, because it emphasizes the sovreignty of the states and the federalist nature of our system of government in which only certain powers are delegated to the federal government by the states and certain matters not properly the purview of the federal government may be or in the past were allowed to be considered by the states, for instance, the establishment of religion at the time of the Founding.  &#8220;Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion&#8221; but before the doctrine of incorporation, states had religious tests, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Iosephus</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/10/the-challenges-of-diversity/#comment-21194</link>
		<dc:creator>Iosephus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 05:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and with good reason.  Is there any reason you mention it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and with good reason.  Is there any reason you mention it?</p>
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		<title>By: Desperate Housewife #1</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/10/the-challenges-of-diversity/#comment-21192</link>
		<dc:creator>Desperate Housewife #1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 04:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Second reference in a week to Desperate Housewives as the Cornell undergrad's preferred alternative to Catholicism - by this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Second reference in a week to Desperate Housewives as the Cornell undergrad&#8217;s preferred alternative to Catholicism - by this blog.</p>
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