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		<title>By: Clara</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/09/the-sorrow-of-the-faithful/#comment-23332</link>
		<dc:creator>Clara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it is a bit hard to understand, isn't it? What does this last person take my point to be? That the exhibit offended me because it was &lt;i&gt;too hard on&lt;/i&gt; the abusive priests? How could anyone possibly get that from my original post, or any of the comments that followed?

It was, of course, precisely &lt;i&gt;because&lt;/i&gt; these crimes were so disgusting that I am offended to see them represented by Rosaries, symbols of that purest and most innocent Lady, who would not harm any creature on Earth, least of all a child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it is a bit hard to understand, isn&#8217;t it? What does this last person take my point to be? That the exhibit offended me because it was <i>too hard on</i> the abusive priests? How could anyone possibly get that from my original post, or any of the comments that followed?</p>
<p>It was, of course, precisely <i>because</i> these crimes were so disgusting that I am offended to see them represented by Rosaries, symbols of that purest and most innocent Lady, who would not harm any creature on Earth, least of all a child.</p>
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		<title>By: Tobias Petrus</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/09/the-sorrow-of-the-faithful/#comment-23323</link>
		<dc:creator>Tobias Petrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 14:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Clara, I think that this post is a great testimony to the vice of wrath.  Almost everyone who has posted here has completely taken leave of their senses.  They completely and absolutely refuse to take you at your word when you say that you are appalled by priestly child molestation.  They refuse to differentiate between the Catholic Church, which is not at fault, and ChurchMEN who most certainly are.  Everyone is so obsessed with what the display was "about" that they can't see how the use of the Rosary in this manner was offensive.  This is testimony to the way in which people can become so caught up in victimhood, whether their own or vicariously through others, to the point where they are blind to any other value than the satisfaction of their own grievance.  They have assumed the mantle of the Disconsolate Victim, and GOD FORBID anyone offer the least criticism of something (anything!) they may do.  This is why we must unite our sufferings to Christ, lest even our genuine trials turn into vanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Clara, I think that this post is a great testimony to the vice of wrath.  Almost everyone who has posted here has completely taken leave of their senses.  They completely and absolutely refuse to take you at your word when you say that you are appalled by priestly child molestation.  They refuse to differentiate between the Catholic Church, which is not at fault, and ChurchMEN who most certainly are.  Everyone is so obsessed with what the display was &#8220;about&#8221; that they can&#8217;t see how the use of the Rosary in this manner was offensive.  This is testimony to the way in which people can become so caught up in victimhood, whether their own or vicariously through others, to the point where they are blind to any other value than the satisfaction of their own grievance.  They have assumed the mantle of the Disconsolate Victim, and GOD FORBID anyone offer the least criticism of something (anything!) they may do.  This is why we must unite our sufferings to Christ, lest even our genuine trials turn into vanity.</p>
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		<title>By: bambam@wildak.net</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/09/the-sorrow-of-the-faithful/#comment-23304</link>
		<dc:creator>bambam@wildak.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 06:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very upset by your response to Sonya Kelliher-Comb's exhibit.  First of all, right is right and wrong is wrong.  The Catholic church was absolutely wrong in their decisions to send these child abusing freaks to Alaska because they didn't know what else to do with them.  It is so wrong and by accepting their ignorant and biased opinion, you are not accepting what they did was UNACCEPTABLE.  This did not go on in other states like they populated the villages of Alaska, it is so wrong that Alaska took these idiot criminals in and accepted them with open arms only to hurt, harm and get the distrust of their children, and not only a few of them but HUNDREDS of them in a state that has less than 650,000 people!!!!Who are you to judge? Who do you think you are?  Obviously, not one of the people who were sacrificed by a person who they trusted and believed in and totally betrayed them!  I am totally astonished someone could write what you did and think you are educated in the topic of abuse in Alaska.  Obviously you have a ton of research to do to give you any credit to your statements.  I am totally appalled and have worked with Alaska Natives who have been sexually abused? so Until you talk with them and really know your subject, I suggest you keep your ignorance to yourself as you really sound more than stupid. Sonya's exhibit has at least done what it was meant to do to get people talking about the abuse and the people who ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, perhaps if your child was abused by your priest, could you understand the importance of this exhibit.  I don't even have children but it appalls me what they had to go through in these villages with no one to turn to when they thought the person they could turn to was honest.  It is very sickening. And the Catholic church defends those who have done the most wrong.  Very Sick. I want to vomit.
Shari</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very upset by your response to Sonya Kelliher-Comb&#8217;s exhibit.  First of all, right is right and wrong is wrong.  The Catholic church was absolutely wrong in their decisions to send these child abusing freaks to Alaska because they didn&#8217;t know what else to do with them.  It is so wrong and by accepting their ignorant and biased opinion, you are not accepting what they did was UNACCEPTABLE.  This did not go on in other states like they populated the villages of Alaska, it is so wrong that Alaska took these idiot criminals in and accepted them with open arms only to hurt, harm and get the distrust of their children, and not only a few of them but HUNDREDS of them in a state that has less than 650,000 people!!!!Who are you to judge? Who do you think you are?  Obviously, not one of the people who were sacrificed by a person who they trusted and believed in and totally betrayed them!  I am totally astonished someone could write what you did and think you are educated in the topic of abuse in Alaska.  Obviously you have a ton of research to do to give you any credit to your statements.  I am totally appalled and have worked with Alaska Natives who have been sexually abused? so Until you talk with them and really know your subject, I suggest you keep your ignorance to yourself as you really sound more than stupid. Sonya&#8217;s exhibit has at least done what it was meant to do to get people talking about the abuse and the people who ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, perhaps if your child was abused by your priest, could you understand the importance of this exhibit.  I don&#8217;t even have children but it appalls me what they had to go through in these villages with no one to turn to when they thought the person they could turn to was honest.  It is very sickening. And the Catholic church defends those who have done the most wrong.  Very Sick. I want to vomit.<br />
Shari</p>
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		<title>By: Chatty catty</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/09/the-sorrow-of-the-faithful/#comment-21312</link>
		<dc:creator>Chatty catty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clara,
I am not defensive about my ex-communicated first generation Irish-American.  When she died a Bishop
presided over her funeral, which I missed as I was taking my law school final exams.  Your assumptions about why we responded are limited by your sureness of your righteousness.  Comments being made about Inuit are amusing as we are not Canadian Inuit.  Our customs are not all the same.  

On a further note to JSP about our ultimate evil as pagans, we did not commit genocide in the name of our faith against millions around the world.  I did not comment about the rosary simply because it does not invoke any emotional response from me as I am not Catholic.  Nor does the accusation of eating the youngest daughter other than to know for Inupiat, as it is factually wrong.  My favorite verses to memorize were about hypocrisy.  Drove my Sunday school teachers mad. 

Sonya knows her exhibit is successful and has generated discussion about a horrible and deadly sin that has left many lives shattered and lost to suicide.  IF you had bothered to read the literature provided with the exhibit, you would have known she gave voice to issues not being addressed in our community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clara,<br />
I am not defensive about my ex-communicated first generation Irish-American.  When she died a Bishop<br />
presided over her funeral, which I missed as I was taking my law school final exams.  Your assumptions about why we responded are limited by your sureness of your righteousness.  Comments being made about Inuit are amusing as we are not Canadian Inuit.  Our customs are not all the same.  </p>
<p>On a further note to JSP about our ultimate evil as pagans, we did not commit genocide in the name of our faith against millions around the world.  I did not comment about the rosary simply because it does not invoke any emotional response from me as I am not Catholic.  Nor does the accusation of eating the youngest daughter other than to know for Inupiat, as it is factually wrong.  My favorite verses to memorize were about hypocrisy.  Drove my Sunday school teachers mad. </p>
<p>Sonya knows her exhibit is successful and has generated discussion about a horrible and deadly sin that has left many lives shattered and lost to suicide.  IF you had bothered to read the literature provided with the exhibit, you would have known she gave voice to issues not being addressed in our community.</p>
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		<title>By: Joan Vanderwerp</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/09/the-sorrow-of-the-faithful/#comment-20895</link>
		<dc:creator>Joan Vanderwerp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 19:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never saw it as an attack on the Blessed Virgin. I don't think the Blessed Virgin would see it as an attack either. She asked us to pray the rosary for peace in the world. Again peace cannot be achieved if you do not allow the person or community that was hurt to speak. The artist in this case was speaking through her life experiences.
Symbols mean different things to different people. The rosary is a tool for peace. Prayer is a voice. If the rosary could be used a symbol against pedophile what would make the Blessed Virgin happier. Can't you quiet down and feel the hurt that Sonia Kelliher-Coombs is trying to express for her people and in this one display for all who have suffered from this. By not allowing their voice you are nailing the casket on their return to the church. 
The Church is the body of all of us. It again is the tool to bring us closer to God. The Church as this body contains the most holy and also those who deviate from God's teachings. Those who have harmed others need the Church more than the holy ones. God gives us free will and forgiveness. I hope the people who have been hurt can eventually feel God's grace working in their hearts and souls and not turn to suicide, alcohol or complete distrust of the Church and  I hope the offenders can eventually come to ask forgiveness. The disgrace and darkness of their lives must be almost unbearable.
  The Church was given to us all. 
Just last night in our paper they had an article about Clerical Abuse. The Society of Jesus has settled 29 cases and has 104 pending. The Diocese of Anchorage has 135 cases outstanding. 
Superior Court Judge Niesje Steinkruger said "the clerical sexual abuse cases are the most complex litigation within the Alaska Court system next to oil and fisheries negotiation."
She said "This is one of the main important issues facing the Yukon-Delta".
Finally I would like to say to Clara that we
have a shortage of priests but I have met some of the most grace filled priests in Alaska that I have ever met. 
There is nothing more I can say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never saw it as an attack on the Blessed Virgin. I don&#8217;t think the Blessed Virgin would see it as an attack either. She asked us to pray the rosary for peace in the world. Again peace cannot be achieved if you do not allow the person or community that was hurt to speak. The artist in this case was speaking through her life experiences.<br />
Symbols mean different things to different people. The rosary is a tool for peace. Prayer is a voice. If the rosary could be used a symbol against pedophile what would make the Blessed Virgin happier. Can&#8217;t you quiet down and feel the hurt that Sonia Kelliher-Coombs is trying to express for her people and in this one display for all who have suffered from this. By not allowing their voice you are nailing the casket on their return to the church.<br />
The Church is the body of all of us. It again is the tool to bring us closer to God. The Church as this body contains the most holy and also those who deviate from God&#8217;s teachings. Those who have harmed others need the Church more than the holy ones. God gives us free will and forgiveness. I hope the people who have been hurt can eventually feel God&#8217;s grace working in their hearts and souls and not turn to suicide, alcohol or complete distrust of the Church and  I hope the offenders can eventually come to ask forgiveness. The disgrace and darkness of their lives must be almost unbearable.<br />
  The Church was given to us all.<br />
Just last night in our paper they had an article about Clerical Abuse. The Society of Jesus has settled 29 cases and has 104 pending. The Diocese of Anchorage has 135 cases outstanding.<br />
Superior Court Judge Niesje Steinkruger said &#8220;the clerical sexual abuse cases are the most complex litigation within the Alaska Court system next to oil and fisheries negotiation.&#8221;<br />
She said &#8220;This is one of the main important issues facing the Yukon-Delta&#8221;.<br />
Finally I would like to say to Clara that we<br />
have a shortage of priests but I have met some of the most grace filled priests in Alaska that I have ever met.<br />
There is nothing more I can say.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/09/the-sorrow-of-the-faithful/#comment-20873</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 09:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, what a thread. Clearly some people have such a powerful stereotype of Catholics that they are simply incapable of noticing that Clara wasn't denying the seriousness of the abuse, or claiming insights into the Alaskan natives, but responding to an 'art' exhibit.

The 'artist' in question should learn from her contemporaries in the 'conceptual art' field: the viewer's subjective response is all that is important. There is no objective message or value in this kind of thing, which I why I use inverted commas. That she's generated a response at all is an indication of success, so she should be jumping for joy.

Alas, the usual subjective response conceptual art generates in the viewer is the thought 'what a load of rubbish', which is why so many of them seem to want to vary it by generating the response 'how offensive'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what a thread. Clearly some people have such a powerful stereotype of Catholics that they are simply incapable of noticing that Clara wasn&#8217;t denying the seriousness of the abuse, or claiming insights into the Alaskan natives, but responding to an &#8216;art&#8217; exhibit.</p>
<p>The &#8216;artist&#8217; in question should learn from her contemporaries in the &#8216;conceptual art&#8217; field: the viewer&#8217;s subjective response is all that is important. There is no objective message or value in this kind of thing, which I why I use inverted commas. That she&#8217;s generated a response at all is an indication of success, so she should be jumping for joy.</p>
<p>Alas, the usual subjective response conceptual art generates in the viewer is the thought &#8216;what a load of rubbish&#8217;, which is why so many of them seem to want to vary it by generating the response &#8216;how offensive&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Clara</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/09/the-sorrow-of-the-faithful/#comment-20859</link>
		<dc:creator>Clara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing about the meaning of the Con-Census exhibit, just to add to what Tobias Petrus said. When I saw it, I thought the intent was pretty plain, and that it was mocking the Church and Our Lady. But any doubt I might have had about that have vanished entirely in light of the comments left on this thread.

If I interpreted the exhibit wrongly, and if Sonya Kelliher-Combs had in fact intended to &lt;i&gt;honor&lt;/i&gt; Our Lady and to invoke her protection on the victims of priestly abuse, she (or her friends) would have read my post and responded something like this: "Oh, is &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; how you understood it? Heaven forbid! We love the Blessed Virgin and would never want to insult her! &lt;i&gt;This&lt;/i&gt; is what the exhibit really meant..."

That's how I (or any faithful Catholic) would want to respond if I realized that something I had written or created was being misunderstood in a way that disparaged the Blessed Mother. But that's not the reaction this post provoked. Most comments have focused on piling up a multitude of grievances against the Church (although, as Tobias Petrus well observed, these are really the mistakes of particular vile and traitorous churchmen, and not of the Church herself), and on praising the artist for giving these complaints a "voice." I take this as good empirical evidence that it was not merely my non-Inupiaq ignorance that led me to understand the exhibit as an attack on the Church and on the Queen of Heaven. It was viewed this way by many, many people. 

Nobody is denying you the right to "speak out" about the wrongs done to Alaskan children. But please, be careful to denounce those who actually &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; the wrong. This isn't the fault of Our Lady, nor of the spotless Bride of Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing about the meaning of the Con-Census exhibit, just to add to what Tobias Petrus said. When I saw it, I thought the intent was pretty plain, and that it was mocking the Church and Our Lady. But any doubt I might have had about that have vanished entirely in light of the comments left on this thread.</p>
<p>If I interpreted the exhibit wrongly, and if Sonya Kelliher-Combs had in fact intended to <i>honor</i> Our Lady and to invoke her protection on the victims of priestly abuse, she (or her friends) would have read my post and responded something like this: &#8220;Oh, is <i>that</i> how you understood it? Heaven forbid! We love the Blessed Virgin and would never want to insult her! <i>This</i> is what the exhibit really meant&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s how I (or any faithful Catholic) would want to respond if I realized that something I had written or created was being misunderstood in a way that disparaged the Blessed Mother. But that&#8217;s not the reaction this post provoked. Most comments have focused on piling up a multitude of grievances against the Church (although, as Tobias Petrus well observed, these are really the mistakes of particular vile and traitorous churchmen, and not of the Church herself), and on praising the artist for giving these complaints a &#8220;voice.&#8221; I take this as good empirical evidence that it was not merely my non-Inupiaq ignorance that led me to understand the exhibit as an attack on the Church and on the Queen of Heaven. It was viewed this way by many, many people. </p>
<p>Nobody is denying you the right to &#8220;speak out&#8221; about the wrongs done to Alaskan children. But please, be careful to denounce those who actually <i>did</i> the wrong. This isn&#8217;t the fault of Our Lady, nor of the spotless Bride of Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: JSP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 04:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't have access to JSTORs, but there seems to be a wealth of academic articles out there illustrating traditional practices of the Inuit people prior to the arrival of Christianity.  These practices seemed to have included the deliberate killing of the youngest daughter of the family during times of famine.  Also, many article suggest that the elderly were sometimes killed when they could no longer contribute to the community.

Of course the ultimate evil of the Inuit people were not these institutional killings of the weak, but the practice of false religion and the worshiping of pagan gods.

From all of this they were saved when the hope of salvation from eternal damnation was brought by those first black-robes, those early 17th Century Jesuit fathers.

The acts of the pervert priests in the 2nd half of the 20th Century are horrible and they will be punished for these crimes, if not in this life then surely the next.  But the eternal balance sheet of credits and debits will always show that all people owe God and His Church praise and thanksgiving for saving us from the powers of darkness, despite the actions of some modern day churchmen. 


Reviewed Work(s): 
·	Inuit, Glimpses of an Arctic past by David Morrison, Georges-Hebert Germain 
Author(s) of Review: Susan K. Short
Arctic and Alpine Research, Vol. 28, No. 4 (Nov., 1996), p. 532</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have access to JSTORs, but there seems to be a wealth of academic articles out there illustrating traditional practices of the Inuit people prior to the arrival of Christianity.  These practices seemed to have included the deliberate killing of the youngest daughter of the family during times of famine.  Also, many article suggest that the elderly were sometimes killed when they could no longer contribute to the community.</p>
<p>Of course the ultimate evil of the Inuit people were not these institutional killings of the weak, but the practice of false religion and the worshiping of pagan gods.</p>
<p>From all of this they were saved when the hope of salvation from eternal damnation was brought by those first black-robes, those early 17th Century Jesuit fathers.</p>
<p>The acts of the pervert priests in the 2nd half of the 20th Century are horrible and they will be punished for these crimes, if not in this life then surely the next.  But the eternal balance sheet of credits and debits will always show that all people owe God and His Church praise and thanksgiving for saving us from the powers of darkness, despite the actions of some modern day churchmen. </p>
<p>Reviewed Work(s):<br />
·	Inuit, Glimpses of an Arctic past by David Morrison, Georges-Hebert Germain<br />
Author(s) of Review: Susan K. Short<br />
Arctic and Alpine Research, Vol. 28, No. 4 (Nov., 1996), p. 532</p>
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		<title>By: Tobias Petrus</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/09/the-sorrow-of-the-faithful/#comment-20833</link>
		<dc:creator>Tobias Petrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joan, you need to distinguish between the Church and church*men*, i.e. clergy.  The Church is the Bride of Christ, the victim of what these horrible churchmen did.  Didn't Vatican II make it clear to everyone that the Church is more than the guys in collars and robes?  The *Church* did not cover up pedophilia.  For I am a member of the Church, and the victims of pedophilia are, or at least were, members of the Church, and we never covered up the crimes.  Some clergymen did.  The Church must always be protected.  These criminal clergymen should not.  And we should not confuse the two.  

Of course the Blessed Virgin would be glad that the Rosary was used to fight pedophilia.  But this display quite simply equated the Rosaries with the sins.  Or if you argue the contrary, then at least admit it created an ambiguous symbol that scandalized the faithful, i.e. us.  Itself another sin.  No good comes this way.  You cannot equate Rosaries with pull-tabs and corks and think that you have made a sufficiently clear "statement."  

Furthermore, Our Lady was betrothed to her husband, St. Joseph.  He considered divorcing her, until an angel told him not to do so.  She was not an "unwed mother," per se, at least not in the modern sense.  St. Joseph was initially confused as to what to do, but it is not clear that she was publicly known to anybody else as "an unwed mother."

 "It takes bravery to speak out against an institution that has existed for 2000 years and has had billions of followers. It doesn’t take much to imagine how Mary must feel about the priest who gives communion, says the rosary and abuses the parishioners. Maybe Mary would be proud to have her symbol used in the fight agains greater evil."

This shows utter confusion.  Yes, the Blessed Virgin must be very much upset at priests and bishops and cardinals and I dare say Popes who betrayed the faithful.  Absolutelely.  But once again, it is simply not right to speak out "against the Church," the 2,000 year old institution with a billion followers, because the "Church" never committed pedophilia, the "Church" never covered up.  Horrible, wretched, abominable men who abused their office IN VIOLATION OF THE CHURCH'S OWN LAWS AND MORALITY did that.  These horrible men deserve to be defrocked, prosecuted, persecuted, hounded, scorned, drowned in the Alaskan waters with millstones around their necks, but the CHURCH is innocent.  For the Church says that these men should and will suffer.  

Until Kelliher-Combs and her defenders finally get this, they will be guilty of ignorance, of false judgment, of insensitivity.  This is truly an evil result of the perverted priests' depravity, that the victims and their allies confuse the guilty with the innocent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joan, you need to distinguish between the Church and church*men*, i.e. clergy.  The Church is the Bride of Christ, the victim of what these horrible churchmen did.  Didn&#8217;t Vatican II make it clear to everyone that the Church is more than the guys in collars and robes?  The *Church* did not cover up pedophilia.  For I am a member of the Church, and the victims of pedophilia are, or at least were, members of the Church, and we never covered up the crimes.  Some clergymen did.  The Church must always be protected.  These criminal clergymen should not.  And we should not confuse the two.  </p>
<p>Of course the Blessed Virgin would be glad that the Rosary was used to fight pedophilia.  But this display quite simply equated the Rosaries with the sins.  Or if you argue the contrary, then at least admit it created an ambiguous symbol that scandalized the faithful, i.e. us.  Itself another sin.  No good comes this way.  You cannot equate Rosaries with pull-tabs and corks and think that you have made a sufficiently clear &#8220;statement.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Furthermore, Our Lady was betrothed to her husband, St. Joseph.  He considered divorcing her, until an angel told him not to do so.  She was not an &#8220;unwed mother,&#8221; per se, at least not in the modern sense.  St. Joseph was initially confused as to what to do, but it is not clear that she was publicly known to anybody else as &#8220;an unwed mother.&#8221;</p>
<p> &#8220;It takes bravery to speak out against an institution that has existed for 2000 years and has had billions of followers. It doesn’t take much to imagine how Mary must feel about the priest who gives communion, says the rosary and abuses the parishioners. Maybe Mary would be proud to have her symbol used in the fight agains greater evil.&#8221;</p>
<p>This shows utter confusion.  Yes, the Blessed Virgin must be very much upset at priests and bishops and cardinals and I dare say Popes who betrayed the faithful.  Absolutelely.  But once again, it is simply not right to speak out &#8220;against the Church,&#8221; the 2,000 year old institution with a billion followers, because the &#8220;Church&#8221; never committed pedophilia, the &#8220;Church&#8221; never covered up.  Horrible, wretched, abominable men who abused their office IN VIOLATION OF THE CHURCH&#8217;S OWN LAWS AND MORALITY did that.  These horrible men deserve to be defrocked, prosecuted, persecuted, hounded, scorned, drowned in the Alaskan waters with millstones around their necks, but the CHURCH is innocent.  For the Church says that these men should and will suffer.  </p>
<p>Until Kelliher-Combs and her defenders finally get this, they will be guilty of ignorance, of false judgment, of insensitivity.  This is truly an evil result of the perverted priests&#8217; depravity, that the victims and their allies confuse the guilty with the innocent.</p>
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		<title>By: Joan Vanderwerp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joan Vanderwerp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Church exists to bring God's message to us. 
When the Church fails to value the people and allows pedophilia which is a sin of generations  they have no right to think they should be protected. Forgiveness is not forgetting. The Native people and all people who have been abused in the Church need to have a voice. If their voice had not been raised this would still be happening in the church. The people did tell the church leaders these things were happening and the people were ignored. Now they have a louder voice and are being heard. This exhibit is a voice that leads us to understanding.  
The rosary is indeed a symbol of the Blessed Virgin a pure woman who had the courage to accept the role of an unwed mother. At that time she could have been stoned for the role she accepted. Mary was pure and brave. It takes bravery to speak out against an institution that has existed for 2000 years and has had billions of followers. It doesn't take much to imagine how Mary must feel about the priest who gives communion, says the rosary and abuses the parishioners. Maybe Mary would be proud to have her symbol used in the fight agains greater evil.
Could the rosary symbolize the purity that was taken away from these children? The rosary,a symbol, is nothing compared to the loss of innocence and faith of children and people trusting their spiritual leader. We cannnot give them back their purity and trust but we cannot deny them the right to speak.
The Faith that was handed down to us by Jesus did not ask us to honor the Church more than the law of love or the commandments.
PS. I am sure pedophilia did not just happen after Vatican II.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Church exists to bring God&#8217;s message to us.<br />
When the Church fails to value the people and allows pedophilia which is a sin of generations  they have no right to think they should be protected. Forgiveness is not forgetting. The Native people and all people who have been abused in the Church need to have a voice. If their voice had not been raised this would still be happening in the church. The people did tell the church leaders these things were happening and the people were ignored. Now they have a louder voice and are being heard. This exhibit is a voice that leads us to understanding.<br />
The rosary is indeed a symbol of the Blessed Virgin a pure woman who had the courage to accept the role of an unwed mother. At that time she could have been stoned for the role she accepted. Mary was pure and brave. It takes bravery to speak out against an institution that has existed for 2000 years and has had billions of followers. It doesn&#8217;t take much to imagine how Mary must feel about the priest who gives communion, says the rosary and abuses the parishioners. Maybe Mary would be proud to have her symbol used in the fight agains greater evil.<br />
Could the rosary symbolize the purity that was taken away from these children? The rosary,a symbol, is nothing compared to the loss of innocence and faith of children and people trusting their spiritual leader. We cannnot give them back their purity and trust but we cannot deny them the right to speak.<br />
The Faith that was handed down to us by Jesus did not ask us to honor the Church more than the law of love or the commandments.<br />
PS. I am sure pedophilia did not just happen after Vatican II.</p>
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		<title>By: Clara</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/09/the-sorrow-of-the-faithful/#comment-20820</link>
		<dc:creator>Clara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if nothing else, this discussion has succeeded in making the picture a little clearer to me. Angie Demma and Sonya Kelliher-Combs "grew up" in the Catholic faith. In other words, they are ex-Catholics. Ida Hildebrand refers to the multitude of "Recovering Catholics"; presumably she, too, takes this to be a reflection of the artist's feelings about the childhood faith she abandoned. 

I may not have known many Alaskan natives in my life, but I've known scores of ex-Catholics. I seem to encounter them everywhere -- at Notre Dame, in the Peace Corps, in graduate school -- and they always seem to want to tell me why they stopped being Catholic. Sometimes it was a bad experience with a priest, (or a loved one's bad experience with a priest.) Sometimes it was a complaint about some moral teaching they didn't like (usually involving sex), or just a general feeling that the Church wasn't very "modern." I've had lots of long, searching conversations with these types of people, so I'm familiar with that complicated mixture of guilt, bitterness and resentment that ex-Catholics carry around with them every day, a grief that they cannot even name, and a loss that they can never get over.  In that light, I can look on this exhibit with compassion.

But surely you realize, Angie Demma, that your claim (that the exhibit is not an attack on Catholics) must be a weak one in light of the other comments that have been left here. Ida Hildebrand speaks belligerently about "Recovering Catholics," Chatty Catty defensively references her excommunicated Grandmother, C.M Gingrich accuses the Church of (more or less single-handedly, it seems) destroying Alaskan culture, and Sandy Gillespie calls it a "church of pharisees." None of them denies that the exhibit is anti-Catholic, and all in one way or another praise Sonya Kelliher-Combs for "speaking out" about important issues. Obviously they see their many and various complaints echoed in her exhibit. And when I  make this observation ("it seems you all agree that the exhibit is attacking the Church") a friend of Sonya's quickly replies with "Sonya knows exactly what she is doing."

You seem to be in a minority in thinking that the exhibit was not an attack on the Catholic church.

In any case, I don't think even you are denying that it was using Rosaries to represent pedophiles, while the sacred words of a holy Sacrament were ironically twisted into a rebuke. The Rosaries were being put "in company with" corks and gamblers' pull-tabs, as if that is the level on which they belonged. I don't think there's any way to avoid the conclusion that they are thus being used in a disparaging way. 

You try to get around this by arguing that the Rosary is powerful and sacred enough that it cannot be disparaged by a mere museum exhibit. This further shows how little you understand about spirituality. It's rather like those people who defend blasphemy with the argument that "God can handle it." Of course God will not be damaged by mere human words! And in the case of the Rosary, did you think we were worried about Our Lady's self-esteem? Trampling sacred things cannot harm them, but it can harm you, and it rightly and properly wounds the feelings of those who love holy things. Our Lady is the one being disparaged, but it is especially for your sakes, and for the sakes of those whose souls are likewise damaged in seeing this exhibit, that we grieve.

The priestly scandals that followed in the wake of Vatican II were a terrible, terrible episode in the history of the Church, and the spiritual damage that these priests did in alienating souls from their Mother Church was tragic. This post was intended to impress that on our readers, but ironically, all of you, by showing us a bit of the hurt and resentment that you harbor against the faith, have illustrated this better than I could ever have done. So for that I thank you, and I will remember you when as I pray my rosary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if nothing else, this discussion has succeeded in making the picture a little clearer to me. Angie Demma and Sonya Kelliher-Combs &#8220;grew up&#8221; in the Catholic faith. In other words, they are ex-Catholics. Ida Hildebrand refers to the multitude of &#8220;Recovering Catholics&#8221;; presumably she, too, takes this to be a reflection of the artist&#8217;s feelings about the childhood faith she abandoned. </p>
<p>I may not have known many Alaskan natives in my life, but I&#8217;ve known scores of ex-Catholics. I seem to encounter them everywhere &#8212; at Notre Dame, in the Peace Corps, in graduate school &#8212; and they always seem to want to tell me why they stopped being Catholic. Sometimes it was a bad experience with a priest, (or a loved one&#8217;s bad experience with a priest.) Sometimes it was a complaint about some moral teaching they didn&#8217;t like (usually involving sex), or just a general feeling that the Church wasn&#8217;t very &#8220;modern.&#8221; I&#8217;ve had lots of long, searching conversations with these types of people, so I&#8217;m familiar with that complicated mixture of guilt, bitterness and resentment that ex-Catholics carry around with them every day, a grief that they cannot even name, and a loss that they can never get over.  In that light, I can look on this exhibit with compassion.</p>
<p>But surely you realize, Angie Demma, that your claim (that the exhibit is not an attack on Catholics) must be a weak one in light of the other comments that have been left here. Ida Hildebrand speaks belligerently about &#8220;Recovering Catholics,&#8221; Chatty Catty defensively references her excommunicated Grandmother, C.M Gingrich accuses the Church of (more or less single-handedly, it seems) destroying Alaskan culture, and Sandy Gillespie calls it a &#8220;church of pharisees.&#8221; None of them denies that the exhibit is anti-Catholic, and all in one way or another praise Sonya Kelliher-Combs for &#8220;speaking out&#8221; about important issues. Obviously they see their many and various complaints echoed in her exhibit. And when I  make this observation (&#8221;it seems you all agree that the exhibit is attacking the Church&#8221;) a friend of Sonya&#8217;s quickly replies with &#8220;Sonya knows exactly what she is doing.&#8221;</p>
<p>You seem to be in a minority in thinking that the exhibit was not an attack on the Catholic church.</p>
<p>In any case, I don&#8217;t think even you are denying that it was using Rosaries to represent pedophiles, while the sacred words of a holy Sacrament were ironically twisted into a rebuke. The Rosaries were being put &#8220;in company with&#8221; corks and gamblers&#8217; pull-tabs, as if that is the level on which they belonged. I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any way to avoid the conclusion that they are thus being used in a disparaging way. </p>
<p>You try to get around this by arguing that the Rosary is powerful and sacred enough that it cannot be disparaged by a mere museum exhibit. This further shows how little you understand about spirituality. It&#8217;s rather like those people who defend blasphemy with the argument that &#8220;God can handle it.&#8221; Of course God will not be damaged by mere human words! And in the case of the Rosary, did you think we were worried about Our Lady&#8217;s self-esteem? Trampling sacred things cannot harm them, but it can harm you, and it rightly and properly wounds the feelings of those who love holy things. Our Lady is the one being disparaged, but it is especially for your sakes, and for the sakes of those whose souls are likewise damaged in seeing this exhibit, that we grieve.</p>
<p>The priestly scandals that followed in the wake of Vatican II were a terrible, terrible episode in the history of the Church, and the spiritual damage that these priests did in alienating souls from their Mother Church was tragic. This post was intended to impress that on our readers, but ironically, all of you, by showing us a bit of the hurt and resentment that you harbor against the faith, have illustrated this better than I could ever have done. So for that I thank you, and I will remember you when as I pray my rosary.</p>
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		<title>By: Iosephus</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/09/the-sorrow-of-the-faithful/#comment-20818</link>
		<dc:creator>Iosephus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 14:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Judgement is not a Christian value that I was taught.&lt;/i&gt;

Clearly.

(Given how you're using "judgement", I understand you to mean something like, "the exercise of the rational faculty".)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Judgement is not a Christian value that I was taught.</i></p>
<p>Clearly.</p>
<p>(Given how you&#8217;re using &#8220;judgement&#8221;, I understand you to mean something like, &#8220;the exercise of the rational faculty&#8221;.)</p>
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		<title>By: Angie Demma</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/09/the-sorrow-of-the-faithful/#comment-20806</link>
		<dc:creator>Angie Demma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 05:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SORROW OF THE PLURAL

I am saddened that so much ignorance abounds!  I grew up in Catholic faith and also managed to learn to appreciate people of other cultures outside of my own (as well as their views).  I have visited Sonya Kelliher-Combs' "Con-Census" at the Anchorage Museum of History and Art and with my Western, Catholic cultural lens and was not offended in her use of the Rosary.  In fact, I commend her courageous voice as well as the Anchorage Museum for the open dialogue in our community.

To decide that the Rosary was used in a disparaging way is one interpretation, and frankly judgmental on your part.  Judgement is not a Christian value that I was taught.  The dialogue, "Forgive you Father, for You Have Sinned" lets the viewer know exactly who is being chided for their reprehensible behavior.

I was offended by your ignorance in many other remarks related to "Con-Census" including your assumption that Sonya was not Catholic and when you don't see a clear connection between abuse and suicide and alcoholism. You've obviously never been near to someone who has been victimized in such a heinous act or can't empathize with what this might be like.  

I'm embarrassed that Catholics like yourself, Dr. VanNostrum, and Disciplus have such a tenuous relationship with the Rosary to think that one person's use of it in an exhibit (to shed light on a subject that needs to be dealt with to move beyond)could disparage it's meaning.

I found Dr. VanNostrum's remarks hateful and beyond ignorant.  

I hope you do some more research before writing callous and insensitive remarks like this in the future.  

Angie Demma</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SORROW OF THE PLURAL</p>
<p>I am saddened that so much ignorance abounds!  I grew up in Catholic faith and also managed to learn to appreciate people of other cultures outside of my own (as well as their views).  I have visited Sonya Kelliher-Combs&#8217; &#8220;Con-Census&#8221; at the Anchorage Museum of History and Art and with my Western, Catholic cultural lens and was not offended in her use of the Rosary.  In fact, I commend her courageous voice as well as the Anchorage Museum for the open dialogue in our community.</p>
<p>To decide that the Rosary was used in a disparaging way is one interpretation, and frankly judgmental on your part.  Judgement is not a Christian value that I was taught.  The dialogue, &#8220;Forgive you Father, for You Have Sinned&#8221; lets the viewer know exactly who is being chided for their reprehensible behavior.</p>
<p>I was offended by your ignorance in many other remarks related to &#8220;Con-Census&#8221; including your assumption that Sonya was not Catholic and when you don&#8217;t see a clear connection between abuse and suicide and alcoholism. You&#8217;ve obviously never been near to someone who has been victimized in such a heinous act or can&#8217;t empathize with what this might be like.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m embarrassed that Catholics like yourself, Dr. VanNostrum, and Disciplus have such a tenuous relationship with the Rosary to think that one person&#8217;s use of it in an exhibit (to shed light on a subject that needs to be dealt with to move beyond)could disparage it&#8217;s meaning.</p>
<p>I found Dr. VanNostrum&#8217;s remarks hateful and beyond ignorant.  </p>
<p>I hope you do some more research before writing callous and insensitive remarks like this in the future.  </p>
<p>Angie Demma</p>
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		<title>By: Clara</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/09/the-sorrow-of-the-faithful/#comment-20768</link>
		<dc:creator>Clara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So in other words: her insult to the Blessed Virgin and those who love her was more deliberate than I'd supposed.

That is interesting, thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So in other words: her insult to the Blessed Virgin and those who love her was more deliberate than I&#8217;d supposed.</p>
<p>That is interesting, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: In AK</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/09/the-sorrow-of-the-faithful/#comment-20767</link>
		<dc:creator>In AK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I happen to know Sonya, and know that she grew up Catholic.  She knows what she's talking about, and thinking about, and creating about.  The point of art is to have an effect on emotions, which clearly, Con Census did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happen to know Sonya, and know that she grew up Catholic.  She knows what she&#8217;s talking about, and thinking about, and creating about.  The point of art is to have an effect on emotions, which clearly, Con Census did.</p>
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		<title>By: Clara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 01:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Tobias Petrus has put the matter very simply and very well -- better than I did -- so really, the best thing might be to reread his comment. But I'll reiterate a few points.

To a Roman Catholic, a rosary is a holy thing, and the means by which we honor and love the blessed lady who bore and raised our Redeemer. Meanwhile, the priestly offenses in question were (to quote myself from the post above to which you are reacting), "the truest example of the depths to which the newly liberalized American church could sink." Our Lady is, for a Catholic, our truest mother, the help of Christians, the Queen of Heaven, the morning star,  and the cause of our joy. The priest in question were (again quoting myself) "base and depraved" and "monsters in priestly garb." Can you see how representing this terrible crime with a sacred symbol is deeply insulting and hurtful to Catholics?

And no, I really don't think that I was "missing the point." There are times, of course, when very holy symbols are &lt;i&gt;juxtaposed&lt;/i&gt; against evil deeds, with the idea being to emphasize the blackness of the bad through a contrast to something very good. Think of the ending of &lt;i&gt;The Godfather&lt;/i&gt;, for example. The Church is not being mocked in the famous baptism scene; rather, the holiness of the words of baptism allow you to feel more keenly the depravity of the evil deeds that are simultaneously being done. But that wasn't what was happening in this exhibit. I can perceive this through 1) the deliberate choice to use cheap plastic rosaries instead of more beautiful ones, 2) the fact that the rosaries were placed in company with corks and gambling tabs, items obviously intended to directly represent pernicious influences, and 3) the irreverent and ironic title. The cheapening of a sacred Catholic symbol, and the rebuke to the Church as a whole were clearly deliberate.

I was not, as one poster claimed, "unbelievably upset" by the exhibit. I assumed that Ms. Kelliher-Combs was more thoughtless than deliberately sacrilegious. (It is interesting, though, that a person can &lt;i&gt;be&lt;/i&gt; thoughtless in that way without making much commotion; as I've said before, you couldn't get away with doing that to just any group of people.) And if you actually read through the original post, you'll see that my primary purpose was not to comment on native Alaskan issues, nor to critique this exhibit in general, but to urge Catholics to pray fervently for the victims of this abuse, as well as for the perpetrators. I certainly have not, at any time, tried to defend these traitorous priests, nor to deny that the suffering of their victims has been acute.

But I am not trivializing that suffering when I say that you all need to get some perspective. Here I am being accused of bigotry and ignorance, and I never even voiced any criticisms of native Alaskans. Meanwhile, several of you obviously feel justified in venting your rage against the Catholic church as a whole without seeming to care, in the first place, that the Catholic faithful absolutely &lt;i&gt;do not&lt;/i&gt; support the terrible actions of pedophile priests (our people have suffered from the same crimes!), and secondly, that this is a miniscule part of the total history of our Church. When you disrespect the rosary, you're not just taking a knock at these pedophiles (who probably didn't use theirs much anyway.) You're insulting Fr. Damien, the leper priest of Molokai who spent his life ministering to lepers and eventually died of the same disease. You're disrespecting Mother Theresa, who picked up the dying from the streets of Calcutta. And St. Vincent de Paul, and St. Francis of Assisi, and St. Nicholas, and St. Padre Pio, and many, many other great humanitarians, from all through history, who &lt;i&gt;all loved Our Lady and the holy Rosary&lt;/i&gt;. And behind these great saints stand legions of humble Catholics, scattered across the world from Poland to Peru, cherishing their rosaries as symbols of hope and grace and tender love shown to their dear Mother. When you pile rosaries up and plunk them down next to a bucket of wine corks, you're taking a shot at all of those people. But you probably didn't think about any of that. You're fixated only on one group of people, one time, one place. And yet, Ida Hildebrand feels fine about calling &lt;i&gt;me&lt;/i&gt; ethnocentric.

We've now had comments from several native Alaskans, telling us how much they loved the exhibit, and telling me how ignorant I am. But not a single person has even tried to argue against my basic claim: that this exhibit was disrespectful to my faith. So I'm going to take it that you agree, and that most of you are okay with that.  Anyway, thanks for writing; it was interesting to get input from some native Alaskans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Tobias Petrus has put the matter very simply and very well &#8212; better than I did &#8212; so really, the best thing might be to reread his comment. But I&#8217;ll reiterate a few points.</p>
<p>To a Roman Catholic, a rosary is a holy thing, and the means by which we honor and love the blessed lady who bore and raised our Redeemer. Meanwhile, the priestly offenses in question were (to quote myself from the post above to which you are reacting), &#8220;the truest example of the depths to which the newly liberalized American church could sink.&#8221; Our Lady is, for a Catholic, our truest mother, the help of Christians, the Queen of Heaven, the morning star,  and the cause of our joy. The priest in question were (again quoting myself) &#8220;base and depraved&#8221; and &#8220;monsters in priestly garb.&#8221; Can you see how representing this terrible crime with a sacred symbol is deeply insulting and hurtful to Catholics?</p>
<p>And no, I really don&#8217;t think that I was &#8220;missing the point.&#8221; There are times, of course, when very holy symbols are <i>juxtaposed</i> against evil deeds, with the idea being to emphasize the blackness of the bad through a contrast to something very good. Think of the ending of <i>The Godfather</i>, for example. The Church is not being mocked in the famous baptism scene; rather, the holiness of the words of baptism allow you to feel more keenly the depravity of the evil deeds that are simultaneously being done. But that wasn&#8217;t what was happening in this exhibit. I can perceive this through 1) the deliberate choice to use cheap plastic rosaries instead of more beautiful ones, 2) the fact that the rosaries were placed in company with corks and gambling tabs, items obviously intended to directly represent pernicious influences, and 3) the irreverent and ironic title. The cheapening of a sacred Catholic symbol, and the rebuke to the Church as a whole were clearly deliberate.</p>
<p>I was not, as one poster claimed, &#8220;unbelievably upset&#8221; by the exhibit. I assumed that Ms. Kelliher-Combs was more thoughtless than deliberately sacrilegious. (It is interesting, though, that a person can <i>be</i> thoughtless in that way without making much commotion; as I&#8217;ve said before, you couldn&#8217;t get away with doing that to just any group of people.) And if you actually read through the original post, you&#8217;ll see that my primary purpose was not to comment on native Alaskan issues, nor to critique this exhibit in general, but to urge Catholics to pray fervently for the victims of this abuse, as well as for the perpetrators. I certainly have not, at any time, tried to defend these traitorous priests, nor to deny that the suffering of their victims has been acute.</p>
<p>But I am not trivializing that suffering when I say that you all need to get some perspective. Here I am being accused of bigotry and ignorance, and I never even voiced any criticisms of native Alaskans. Meanwhile, several of you obviously feel justified in venting your rage against the Catholic church as a whole without seeming to care, in the first place, that the Catholic faithful absolutely <i>do not</i> support the terrible actions of pedophile priests (our people have suffered from the same crimes!), and secondly, that this is a miniscule part of the total history of our Church. When you disrespect the rosary, you&#8217;re not just taking a knock at these pedophiles (who probably didn&#8217;t use theirs much anyway.) You&#8217;re insulting Fr. Damien, the leper priest of Molokai who spent his life ministering to lepers and eventually died of the same disease. You&#8217;re disrespecting Mother Theresa, who picked up the dying from the streets of Calcutta. And St. Vincent de Paul, and St. Francis of Assisi, and St. Nicholas, and St. Padre Pio, and many, many other great humanitarians, from all through history, who <i>all loved Our Lady and the holy Rosary</i>. And behind these great saints stand legions of humble Catholics, scattered across the world from Poland to Peru, cherishing their rosaries as symbols of hope and grace and tender love shown to their dear Mother. When you pile rosaries up and plunk them down next to a bucket of wine corks, you&#8217;re taking a shot at all of those people. But you probably didn&#8217;t think about any of that. You&#8217;re fixated only on one group of people, one time, one place. And yet, Ida Hildebrand feels fine about calling <i>me</i> ethnocentric.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve now had comments from several native Alaskans, telling us how much they loved the exhibit, and telling me how ignorant I am. But not a single person has even tried to argue against my basic claim: that this exhibit was disrespectful to my faith. So I&#8217;m going to take it that you agree, and that most of you are okay with that.  Anyway, thanks for writing; it was interesting to get input from some native Alaskans.</p>
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		<title>By: sandy gillespie</title>
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		<dc:creator>sandy gillespie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen the exhibit Con-Census. It is a unique, challenging and wonderful approach to the Anchorage Museum's guest curator program. In responding here, however, I want to say that the Catholic church, and religion in general, most certainly is a social issue. It weilds wealth and power in our legislative branch of government and throughout the world. If Jesus entered the temple/cathedral today he would be hard-pressed to knock over the money-changers' tables. In this country a person cannot sucessfully seek office without proclaiming to be a christian, yet the term "christian" has been appropriated to mean conservative and narrow-minded. Jesus was a radical. A religion of pharisees is what we have today, with little tolerance, and no love, for our enemies. The "axis of evil" is not outside ourselves. As our country loses its historical separation of church and state and civil rights are stolen by a fear-mongoring administration, we can only hope that artists will continue to remind us to think and speak out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen the exhibit Con-Census. It is a unique, challenging and wonderful approach to the Anchorage Museum&#8217;s guest curator program. In responding here, however, I want to say that the Catholic church, and religion in general, most certainly is a social issue. It weilds wealth and power in our legislative branch of government and throughout the world. If Jesus entered the temple/cathedral today he would be hard-pressed to knock over the money-changers&#8217; tables. In this country a person cannot sucessfully seek office without proclaiming to be a christian, yet the term &#8220;christian&#8221; has been appropriated to mean conservative and narrow-minded. Jesus was a radical. A religion of pharisees is what we have today, with little tolerance, and no love, for our enemies. The &#8220;axis of evil&#8221; is not outside ourselves. As our country loses its historical separation of church and state and civil rights are stolen by a fear-mongoring administration, we can only hope that artists will continue to remind us to think and speak out.</p>
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		<title>By: Tobias Petrus</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/09/the-sorrow-of-the-faithful/#comment-20690</link>
		<dc:creator>Tobias Petrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"This display was not lamenting particular priests’ betrayal of their sacred office. It was lamenting that the priests ever came to Alaska at all. The irreverent, smart-alecky title emphasized this even further. And that made me angry, because it seemed like giving a further kick to those people who were already the most down in the wake of the scandals – Alaskan Catholics."

I concur with Clara here.  

Yes, the priests came to save the Alaskans' souls.  Yes, they opposed pagan practices, JUST as they ended the paganism of my Germanic, Scandinavian, and Celtic ancestors.  I hope that they were duly respectful of those aspects of Native Alaskan religion that were in synch with natural religion, but let's face it, the position of the Catholic Church is that it's here to evangelize people.  

Some of the priests, perhaps many, were abusive.  I'll take your word for it.  For that they should have been locked up.  They will pay in hell or purgatory for what they did.  But the "art" in question identified a wholly good symbol -- the Rosary -- with a wholly evil thing -- sex abuse.  This is unjust.  This is literally throwing out the baby with the bathwater.  No one here is making excuses for the horrible child molesters!  No one here is diminishing the victims' anguish!  But please, please find some other way to exhibit this outrage than to identify OUR sacred religious symbols with the horrible acts of those who *defied their own religion* by abusing children.  Did the Blessed Virgin Mary harm Alaska?  Did her Son harm Alaska?  Well, the Rosary honors the Blessed Mother and her Son.  It represents what is good and right with Catholicism, not the sometimes horrible sins of the Church's clergy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This display was not lamenting particular priests’ betrayal of their sacred office. It was lamenting that the priests ever came to Alaska at all. The irreverent, smart-alecky title emphasized this even further. And that made me angry, because it seemed like giving a further kick to those people who were already the most down in the wake of the scandals – Alaskan Catholics.&#8221;</p>
<p>I concur with Clara here.  </p>
<p>Yes, the priests came to save the Alaskans&#8217; souls.  Yes, they opposed pagan practices, JUST as they ended the paganism of my Germanic, Scandinavian, and Celtic ancestors.  I hope that they were duly respectful of those aspects of Native Alaskan religion that were in synch with natural religion, but let&#8217;s face it, the position of the Catholic Church is that it&#8217;s here to evangelize people.  </p>
<p>Some of the priests, perhaps many, were abusive.  I&#8217;ll take your word for it.  For that they should have been locked up.  They will pay in hell or purgatory for what they did.  But the &#8220;art&#8221; in question identified a wholly good symbol &#8212; the Rosary &#8212; with a wholly evil thing &#8212; sex abuse.  This is unjust.  This is literally throwing out the baby with the bathwater.  No one here is making excuses for the horrible child molesters!  No one here is diminishing the victims&#8217; anguish!  But please, please find some other way to exhibit this outrage than to identify OUR sacred religious symbols with the horrible acts of those who *defied their own religion* by abusing children.  Did the Blessed Virgin Mary harm Alaska?  Did her Son harm Alaska?  Well, the Rosary honors the Blessed Mother and her Son.  It represents what is good and right with Catholicism, not the sometimes horrible sins of the Church&#8217;s clergy.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Dale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pagalagivsii (greetings to all);

Very powerful commentaries and opinions expressed herein. Sensitive, yes. Hurtful, definitely, and yet, quite insightful in a human mindset sort of way. You know, how we are ever judgmental of other humans "in the name of God".

I am very proud of my neice Sonya's creations. Is the Father likewise proud of his creations (man and woman)?? I would like to believe it is so. Or is the Father there just to exercise forgiveness for their sins and other transgressions, of which there any many indeed?? Answer that if you must, but I choose to listen to my heart, which God has filled....... 

With love, 
Assaingatak (my Inupiat name, after Ahna).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pagalagivsii (greetings to all);</p>
<p>Very powerful commentaries and opinions expressed herein. Sensitive, yes. Hurtful, definitely, and yet, quite insightful in a human mindset sort of way. You know, how we are ever judgmental of other humans &#8220;in the name of God&#8221;.</p>
<p>I am very proud of my neice Sonya&#8217;s creations. Is the Father likewise proud of his creations (man and woman)?? I would like to believe it is so. Or is the Father there just to exercise forgiveness for their sins and other transgressions, of which there any many indeed?? Answer that if you must, but I choose to listen to my heart, which God has filled&#8230;&#8230;. </p>
<p>With love,<br />
Assaingatak (my Inupiat name, after Ahna).</p>
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		<title>By: C. M. Gingrich</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. M. Gingrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To begin with I want to say that you should have spent part of your day reading the descriptions at the Anchorage Museum, or maybe going to the Alaska Native Heritage Center.  You would then know that the Eskimos in Alaska are not called Inuit, they are Inupiaq, Yupik or Siberian Yupik.  There are also Athabascan, Tlingit, Haida and Tsimsian Indians and Aleut tribes in Alaska.  

Secondly, you know nothing of the extent of Catholic Priests abuse in Rural Alaska.  Entire generations in some villages were sexually abused, and once complaints were made the priests were moved to different villages to continue the cycle of abuse.  I felt offended by your trivialization of this abuse “There were some cases of missionary priests abusing native Alaskan children, which would, I suppose, put the issue within the scope of Ms. Kelliher-Combs’ “native issues” theme.”, and “But a few particular members once hurt some native Alaskan children.”   Without being more specific, I am speaking of many of my relatives and friends. The Catholic church  “Here we have a two-thousand-year-old organization that, at least in the eyes of, I don’t know, some-billion people in the history of the world represents the human race’s only hope of salvation,” worked very hard to “educate” and “save” the natives of Alaska, particularly on the Yukon River.  By doing this, in a few short decades, they almost single handedly annihilated a culture and belief system that has been around for ten thousand years.  You talk about people not respecting your religion, “I’m already well aware that a large portion of the world doesn’t respect my religious views.”  Where was the Catholic Church’s “respect” for an older, ancient belief system?  Other church groups did not do this.  They translated the bible into native languages, and educated natives to be leaders in their churches.  They respected Alaska native traditional ways and did not forbid them from practicing them.  I can understand Ida’s mistrust of the Catholic Church.

 I was not offended by the exhibit.  I was thankful that something was being said about the abuse.  Every person I have talked to, whether white or native, catholic or not, from Alaska, found the exhibit strong and powerful, speaking about a people who adapt and persevere and the issues that we are now facing.  You seem to have missed the point.  I thought a church was its people, not its symbols.  You seem to be unbelievably upset about what you perceive as a slight to the “symbol” of your religion.  God is the sacred here, not the rosary.

As for Dr. VanNostrum’s comments, I believe that there is no room in any religion for closed minded, ignorant, bigotry.  Get your facts straight.  I am Alaska Native and I do not hate white people. Generalizing about a group of people is always perilous, and in my point of view short sighted.  And finally, you completely misunderstand the special relationship between indigenous peoples and the Federal Government.  Maybe you should do some research, or go out and meet some Alaska Natives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To begin with I want to say that you should have spent part of your day reading the descriptions at the Anchorage Museum, or maybe going to the Alaska Native Heritage Center.  You would then know that the Eskimos in Alaska are not called Inuit, they are Inupiaq, Yupik or Siberian Yupik.  There are also Athabascan, Tlingit, Haida and Tsimsian Indians and Aleut tribes in Alaska.  </p>
<p>Secondly, you know nothing of the extent of Catholic Priests abuse in Rural Alaska.  Entire generations in some villages were sexually abused, and once complaints were made the priests were moved to different villages to continue the cycle of abuse.  I felt offended by your trivialization of this abuse “There were some cases of missionary priests abusing native Alaskan children, which would, I suppose, put the issue within the scope of Ms. Kelliher-Combs’ “native issues” theme.”, and “But a few particular members once hurt some native Alaskan children.”   Without being more specific, I am speaking of many of my relatives and friends. The Catholic church  “Here we have a two-thousand-year-old organization that, at least in the eyes of, I don’t know, some-billion people in the history of the world represents the human race’s only hope of salvation,” worked very hard to “educate” and “save” the natives of Alaska, particularly on the Yukon River.  By doing this, in a few short decades, they almost single handedly annihilated a culture and belief system that has been around for ten thousand years.  You talk about people not respecting your religion, “I’m already well aware that a large portion of the world doesn’t respect my religious views.”  Where was the Catholic Church’s “respect” for an older, ancient belief system?  Other church groups did not do this.  They translated the bible into native languages, and educated natives to be leaders in their churches.  They respected Alaska native traditional ways and did not forbid them from practicing them.  I can understand Ida’s mistrust of the Catholic Church.</p>
<p> I was not offended by the exhibit.  I was thankful that something was being said about the abuse.  Every person I have talked to, whether white or native, catholic or not, from Alaska, found the exhibit strong and powerful, speaking about a people who adapt and persevere and the issues that we are now facing.  You seem to have missed the point.  I thought a church was its people, not its symbols.  You seem to be unbelievably upset about what you perceive as a slight to the “symbol” of your religion.  God is the sacred here, not the rosary.</p>
<p>As for Dr. VanNostrum’s comments, I believe that there is no room in any religion for closed minded, ignorant, bigotry.  Get your facts straight.  I am Alaska Native and I do not hate white people. Generalizing about a group of people is always perilous, and in my point of view short sighted.  And finally, you completely misunderstand the special relationship between indigenous peoples and the Federal Government.  Maybe you should do some research, or go out and meet some Alaska Natives.</p>
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