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		<title>By: JOHANNIM</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/07/not-enough/#comment-30345</link>
		<dc:creator>JOHANNIM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ADDENDUM---WITH RESPECT TO SEDEVACANTISTS THIS BLOG READER BELIEVES THERE IS AND WILL BE ROOM FOR DIOLOGUE WITH THESE FOLKS (ESPECIALLY WITH SSPX'S FULL REUNION WITH ROME).IT WILL BE A LONG ROAD TO HAUL BUT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF GOOD CATHOLICS LABELLED "SEDEVACANTIST" WILL TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THE PAPACY OF BENEDICT 16 AND IF THEY REMAIN STUBBORN WILL ONE DAY BE IN THE SAME CATAGORY AS THE OLD CATHOLICS AND EASTERN ORTHODOX CHURCHES. THAT IS NOT WHAT JESUS CHRIST WANTS FOR HIS CHURCH AND IT MORE THAN BEHOOVES SSPX, ESTABLISHMENT CATHOLICS, SEDEVACANTIST AND EASTERN ORTHODOX TO SUBMIT TO THE WILL OF JESUS CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. AS FOR THE DEFORMATION OF THE 16TH CENTURY, "PROTESTANTISM" THEY NEED TO ADJUR THE HERESY AND APOSTASY OF THEIR FOUNDERS, LUTHER ,ZWINGLI, CALVIN ,KNOX AND HORNY HENRY THE 8TH. SHALOM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ADDENDUM&#8212;WITH RESPECT TO SEDEVACANTISTS THIS BLOG READER BELIEVES THERE IS AND WILL BE ROOM FOR DIOLOGUE WITH THESE FOLKS (ESPECIALLY WITH SSPX&#8217;S FULL REUNION WITH ROME).IT WILL BE A LONG ROAD TO HAUL BUT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF GOOD CATHOLICS LABELLED &#8220;SEDEVACANTIST&#8221; WILL TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THE PAPACY OF BENEDICT 16 AND IF THEY REMAIN STUBBORN WILL ONE DAY BE IN THE SAME CATAGORY AS THE OLD CATHOLICS AND EASTERN ORTHODOX CHURCHES. THAT IS NOT WHAT JESUS CHRIST WANTS FOR HIS CHURCH AND IT MORE THAN BEHOOVES SSPX, ESTABLISHMENT CATHOLICS, SEDEVACANTIST AND EASTERN ORTHODOX TO SUBMIT TO THE WILL OF JESUS CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. AS FOR THE DEFORMATION OF THE 16TH CENTURY, &#8220;PROTESTANTISM&#8221; THEY NEED TO ADJUR THE HERESY AND APOSTASY OF THEIR FOUNDERS, LUTHER ,ZWINGLI, CALVIN ,KNOX AND HORNY HENRY THE 8TH. SHALOM</p>
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		<title>By: JOHANNIM</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/07/not-enough/#comment-30342</link>
		<dc:creator>JOHANNIM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AS FOR THE CORNELL SOCIETY BEING FAIR IN IT'S BLOG, IT IS. AFTER 40 YEARS OF HUMILIATION BY ROME, DECEIT AND OUT RIGHT LIE'S BY ELEMENTS IN THE VATICAN VIS A VIS THE SOCIETY OF ST PIUS THE TENTH, NOT TO MENTION THE ON GOING SHUNNING BY THE "IN THE PEWS" NOVUS ORDO PRELATES AND PRIEST LIKE AYATOLLAH MAHONEY AND THE GANG OF REVISIONIST PRELATES STILL IN POWER IN FRANCE AND ENGLAND, YUP THE SSPX IS VERY GUN SHY ABOUT THE "THAW" WITH THE VATICAN. MOST OF THIS ARTICULE, I FIND MYSELF IN TOTAL AGREEMENT  WITH THE CORNELL FOLKS BUT AS TO MAJOR DIOLOGUE BEFORE WITHDRAWAL OF THE EX-COMMUNICATION OF SSPX'S BISHOPS AND HER FOUNDER, "NUTS". YOU NEED TO BE IN COMMUNION ,A FAMILY MEMBER AT THE TABLE TO DISCUSS WITH FAIRNESS AND HONESTY THE PROBLEMS BETWEEN FAMILY MEMBERS. THE REUNION OF THE ORTHODOX SSPX WITH THE EQUALLY ORTHODOX POPE AND PATRIARCH OF THE WEST, GOOD POPE BENEDICT 16 WILL COME AND I PREDICT SOONER THAN LATER. IF ANY SSPX PRIEST CONTINUES TO BE OBSTINATE AFTER THE REUNION, THAT IS SEDEVACANTISM, IF SOME IN THE CURIA CONTINUE THEIR REACTIONARY HOSTILITY TO ORTHODOXY AND TRADITION (TRIDENTINE MASS) THAT IS DISRESPECT, DISOBEDIENCE, SCHISM AND HERESY. SHALOM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AS FOR THE CORNELL SOCIETY BEING FAIR IN IT&#8217;S BLOG, IT IS. AFTER 40 YEARS OF HUMILIATION BY ROME, DECEIT AND OUT RIGHT LIE&#8217;S BY ELEMENTS IN THE VATICAN VIS A VIS THE SOCIETY OF ST PIUS THE TENTH, NOT TO MENTION THE ON GOING SHUNNING BY THE &#8220;IN THE PEWS&#8221; NOVUS ORDO PRELATES AND PRIEST LIKE AYATOLLAH MAHONEY AND THE GANG OF REVISIONIST PRELATES STILL IN POWER IN FRANCE AND ENGLAND, YUP THE SSPX IS VERY GUN SHY ABOUT THE &#8220;THAW&#8221; WITH THE VATICAN. MOST OF THIS ARTICULE, I FIND MYSELF IN TOTAL AGREEMENT  WITH THE CORNELL FOLKS BUT AS TO MAJOR DIOLOGUE BEFORE WITHDRAWAL OF THE EX-COMMUNICATION OF SSPX&#8217;S BISHOPS AND HER FOUNDER, &#8220;NUTS&#8221;. YOU NEED TO BE IN COMMUNION ,A FAMILY MEMBER AT THE TABLE TO DISCUSS WITH FAIRNESS AND HONESTY THE PROBLEMS BETWEEN FAMILY MEMBERS. THE REUNION OF THE ORTHODOX SSPX WITH THE EQUALLY ORTHODOX POPE AND PATRIARCH OF THE WEST, GOOD POPE BENEDICT 16 WILL COME AND I PREDICT SOONER THAN LATER. IF ANY SSPX PRIEST CONTINUES TO BE OBSTINATE AFTER THE REUNION, THAT IS SEDEVACANTISM, IF SOME IN THE CURIA CONTINUE THEIR REACTIONARY HOSTILITY TO ORTHODOXY AND TRADITION (TRIDENTINE MASS) THAT IS DISRESPECT, DISOBEDIENCE, SCHISM AND HERESY. SHALOM</p>
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		<title>By: CPT Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/07/not-enough/#comment-16818</link>
		<dc:creator>CPT Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bishop Felay, is unfortunately, exhibiting some of the same attitude that the progressives elitist do.  There is an arrogance of he knows better than the Pope.  This is where the SSPX and similar groups, and the progressives for that matter have always lost me. I have to admit my eyes glaze over when I hear dissent either from the rad-trads or the happy-clappy hippie.  

I sincerely hope that Bishop Felay is just posturing, but will in the end be humble enough to accept the authority of the Pope, and trust that if the he does, the Pope, as a good father will lift the excommunications. Judging from their website and their Q&#38;As for Catholics, I am not hopeful considering one of the "new" items added to this section is entitled "Is it true to say that now there is a "conciliar" Church?" or articles like "Is it possible to say that the post-Conciliar Church is a new religion, and if so, how can it be considered as Catholic?"  With these articles still up on their main site, I am not hopeful the SSPX as a whole will reconcile even if Bishop Felay does reconcile.  This is sad, as I think the Church as a whole could only benefit from their full reunion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bishop Felay, is unfortunately, exhibiting some of the same attitude that the progressives elitist do.  There is an arrogance of he knows better than the Pope.  This is where the SSPX and similar groups, and the progressives for that matter have always lost me. I have to admit my eyes glaze over when I hear dissent either from the rad-trads or the happy-clappy hippie.  </p>
<p>I sincerely hope that Bishop Felay is just posturing, but will in the end be humble enough to accept the authority of the Pope, and trust that if the he does, the Pope, as a good father will lift the excommunications. Judging from their website and their Q&amp;As for Catholics, I am not hopeful considering one of the &#8220;new&#8221; items added to this section is entitled &#8220;Is it true to say that now there is a &#8220;conciliar&#8221; Church?&#8221; or articles like &#8220;Is it possible to say that the post-Conciliar Church is a new religion, and if so, how can it be considered as Catholic?&#8221;  With these articles still up on their main site, I am not hopeful the SSPX as a whole will reconcile even if Bishop Felay does reconcile.  This is sad, as I think the Church as a whole could only benefit from their full reunion.</p>
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		<title>By: Clara</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/07/not-enough/#comment-16791</link>
		<dc:creator>Clara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, of course, I realize that the SSPX would certainly *prefer* that Vatican II be erased entirely. But they haven't said that this is an absolute condition for reconciliation with Rome. (Anyway, Fellay hasn't; I'm not sure what others might have said. Obviously little censorship is exercised among SSPX leaders and some are more inflammatory than others.) I guess I'm speculating about whether that is de facto the case.

You could be quite right, DJB, that the present SSPX leaders prefer their podiums to the possibility of reconciliation. I hope you're not, obviously, but I worry. It's a dangerous thing, letting oneself get high on the intoxicating thrill of leading rebellion, and we can definitely see some of that in the SSPX. Martin Luther began his rebellion with fear and trembling, shedding many tears for the dreadful thing he was about to do. But by the time the movement began gathering steam, he began to like it more and more until he had no qualms about marrying an ex-nun or boldly labeleing the pontiff "the antichrist." When you look at a figure like Williamson... he doesn't appear to be shedding too many tears over the breach with Rome, does he? Quite the contrary, he seems quite satisfied with himself and his present position. I often think that the parallels between the early Lutherans and the SSPX are rather striking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, of course, I realize that the SSPX would certainly *prefer* that Vatican II be erased entirely. But they haven&#8217;t said that this is an absolute condition for reconciliation with Rome. (Anyway, Fellay hasn&#8217;t; I&#8217;m not sure what others might have said. Obviously little censorship is exercised among SSPX leaders and some are more inflammatory than others.) I guess I&#8217;m speculating about whether that is de facto the case.</p>
<p>You could be quite right, DJB, that the present SSPX leaders prefer their podiums to the possibility of reconciliation. I hope you&#8217;re not, obviously, but I worry. It&#8217;s a dangerous thing, letting oneself get high on the intoxicating thrill of leading rebellion, and we can definitely see some of that in the SSPX. Martin Luther began his rebellion with fear and trembling, shedding many tears for the dreadful thing he was about to do. But by the time the movement began gathering steam, he began to like it more and more until he had no qualms about marrying an ex-nun or boldly labeleing the pontiff &#8220;the antichrist.&#8221; When you look at a figure like Williamson&#8230; he doesn&#8217;t appear to be shedding too many tears over the breach with Rome, does he? Quite the contrary, he seems quite satisfied with himself and his present position. I often think that the parallels between the early Lutherans and the SSPX are rather striking.</p>
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		<title>By: D.J.B.</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/07/not-enough/#comment-16777</link>
		<dc:creator>D.J.B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"One cannot help but harbor the worry..."  The boldest demand of the SSPX and their non-schismatic allies (The Remnant newspaper, perhaps most prominently) has always been a Roman reversion to not only a pre-conciliar modus, but a pre-Johannine one as well.  One needn't speculate that the Society wishes things to continue as though the council were never convoked; such a desire is nearly the only thing one hears from their cheerleaders, the various web- and print-based organs whose intransigence is the source of the shrill rad-trad stereotype held by conservatives and liberal Catholics alike.  These are not Michael Davies types, willing to work with the system and forgo publicity and controversy.  Men like Fellay are more interested in gaining "street cred" with the movement than in leading it to reconciliation and some semblance of mainstream credibility (which is genuinely achievable with the conservatives, though I fear the progressives may be beyond the pale).  The archbishop's legacy is ill-served by men like him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One cannot help but harbor the worry&#8230;&#8221;  The boldest demand of the SSPX and their non-schismatic allies (The Remnant newspaper, perhaps most prominently) has always been a Roman reversion to not only a pre-conciliar modus, but a pre-Johannine one as well.  One needn&#8217;t speculate that the Society wishes things to continue as though the council were never convoked; such a desire is nearly the only thing one hears from their cheerleaders, the various web- and print-based organs whose intransigence is the source of the shrill rad-trad stereotype held by conservatives and liberal Catholics alike.  These are not Michael Davies types, willing to work with the system and forgo publicity and controversy.  Men like Fellay are more interested in gaining &#8220;street cred&#8221; with the movement than in leading it to reconciliation and some semblance of mainstream credibility (which is genuinely achievable with the conservatives, though I fear the progressives may be beyond the pale).  The archbishop&#8217;s legacy is ill-served by men like him.</p>
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		<title>By: Raindear</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2007/07/not-enough/#comment-16775</link>
		<dc:creator>Raindear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a fine post Clara.  I, too, was pleasantly surprised by Fellay's response.  However, his letter also carried a certain supercilious, self-righteous tone not calculated to inspire the good-will of a SUPREME pontiff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a fine post Clara.  I, too, was pleasantly surprised by Fellay&#8217;s response.  However, his letter also carried a certain supercilious, self-righteous tone not calculated to inspire the good-will of a SUPREME pontiff.</p>
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