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	<title>Comments on: What was Henry thinking?</title>
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		<title>By: Tobias Petrus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tobias Petrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember these four little pre-Vatican II picture books of saints, I think by a Fr. Lord, S.J., that I read as a child.  St. Henry the Emperor was one of the saints.  His story said that he attended a Mass where Our Lord Himself miraculously appeared to serve as the priest.  Anyone know about this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember these four little pre-Vatican II picture books of saints, I think by a Fr. Lord, S.J., that I read as a child.  St. Henry the Emperor was one of the saints.  His story said that he attended a Mass where Our Lord Himself miraculously appeared to serve as the priest.  Anyone know about this?</p>
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		<title>By: Tobias Petrus</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/what-was-henry-thinking/#comment-6852</link>
		<dc:creator>Tobias Petrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JSP, I think the title "confessor" basically means he wasn't a martyr, although he certainly confessed the Faith.  Here's the Catholic Encyclopedia:  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;"Since the time when the Roman pontiffs reserved to themselves definite decision in causes of canonization and beatification, the title of confessor (pontiff, non-pontiff, doctor) belongs only to those men who have distinguished themselves by heroic virtue which God has approved by miracles, and who have been solemnly adjudged this title by the Church and proposed by her to the faithful as objects of their veneration."&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Thanks for the remark about the Salesian and Ottonian dynasties.  And despite what you noted, people still go around quoting Voltaire about how the Holy Roman Empire was neither holy nor Roman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JSP, I think the title &#8220;confessor&#8221; basically means he wasn&#8217;t a martyr, although he certainly confessed the Faith.  Here&#8217;s the Catholic Encyclopedia:  </p>
<p>&#8220;Since the time when the Roman pontiffs reserved to themselves definite decision in causes of canonization and beatification, the title of confessor (pontiff, non-pontiff, doctor) belongs only to those men who have distinguished themselves by heroic virtue which God has approved by miracles, and who have been solemnly adjudged this title by the Church and proposed by her to the faithful as objects of their veneration.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks for the remark about the Salesian and Ottonian dynasties.  And despite what you noted, people still go around quoting Voltaire about how the Holy Roman Empire was neither holy nor Roman.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Six Pack</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/what-was-henry-thinking/#comment-6853</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Six Pack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering what the "confessor" title was doing next to his name in the Lives of the Saints.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This Ottonian and Salesian line of kings were very strong Catholics.  They saw themselves as the King Davids of the New Israel.  As such they took it upon themselves to right the wrongs going on in the Church.  This is during the same period as the Hildebrand reforms trying to clean up simony, the abuse of investiture, and a whole bunch of clerical immorality.  Even the non-celibate kings of this line were very good Catholics (up until Henry IV).&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Recommend reading the Investiture Crisis by I think Una Renate Blumenthal (not sure if this is the right author?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering what the &#8220;confessor&#8221; title was doing next to his name in the Lives of the Saints.</p>
<p>This Ottonian and Salesian line of kings were very strong Catholics.  They saw themselves as the King Davids of the New Israel.  As such they took it upon themselves to right the wrongs going on in the Church.  This is during the same period as the Hildebrand reforms trying to clean up simony, the abuse of investiture, and a whole bunch of clerical immorality.  Even the non-celibate kings of this line were very good Catholics (up until Henry IV).</p>
<p>Recommend reading the Investiture Crisis by I think Una Renate Blumenthal (not sure if this is the right author?)</p>
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		<title>By: Iosephus</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/what-was-henry-thinking/#comment-6854</link>
		<dc:creator>Iosephus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, all!</p>
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		<title>By: Tobias Petrus</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/what-was-henry-thinking/#comment-6855</link>
		<dc:creator>Tobias Petrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When he was in old age (and well past his Uriah-killing days), King David slept in the same bed with a maiden "in order to keep him warm at night."  Upon his death, the girl was returned to her family still a virgin.  If you check out the Vulgate passage narrating this, you might find "illibatam" or some other words echoed in the prayer fro St. Henry.  Just a hunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When he was in old age (and well past his Uriah-killing days), King David slept in the same bed with a maiden &#8220;in order to keep him warm at night.&#8221;  Upon his death, the girl was returned to her family still a virgin.  If you check out the Vulgate passage narrating this, you might find &#8220;illibatam&#8221; or some other words echoed in the prayer fro St. Henry.  Just a hunch.</p>
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		<title>By: Tobias Petrus</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/what-was-henry-thinking/#comment-6856</link>
		<dc:creator>Tobias Petrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>King Edward the Confessor also lived a celibate life while married.  Since he produced no heirs, there was a dynastic dispute upon his death in 1066.  This resulted in a Viking invasion in the north of England (defeated at the Battle of Stamford Bridge) and the Norman invasion in the south (successful, at the Battle of Hastings).  Stamford Bridge was the swansong of the Viking era.  William the Conqueror ended Anglo-Saxon rule in Britain, and the Norman era began.  So Edward's celibate marriage had serious macrohistorical consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>King Edward the Confessor also lived a celibate life while married.  Since he produced no heirs, there was a dynastic dispute upon his death in 1066.  This resulted in a Viking invasion in the north of England (defeated at the Battle of Stamford Bridge) and the Norman invasion in the south (successful, at the Battle of Hastings).  Stamford Bridge was the swansong of the Viking era.  William the Conqueror ended Anglo-Saxon rule in Britain, and the Norman era began.  So Edward&#8217;s celibate marriage had serious macrohistorical consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambrosius</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/what-was-henry-thinking/#comment-6857</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambrosius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember being recommended a book on this general subject by Sandra Miesel: &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;A HREF="http://www.pupress.princeton.edu/titles/5224.html" REL="nofollow"&gt;Spiritual Marriage&lt;/A&gt; by Dyan Elliott, which is about the apparently common medieval practice of married couples living in either unconsummated marriages or later taking vows of chastity.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;In a more recent example, a couple from this past century, &lt;A HREF="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1141/is_8_38/ai_82066335" REL="nofollow"&gt;Maria and Luigi Quattrocchi&lt;/A&gt; -- canonized by Pope John Paul the Fair in 2001 -- lived a chaste marriage for the last 26 years of their lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember being recommended a book on this general subject by Sandra Miesel: </p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.pupress.princeton.edu/titles/5224.html" REL="nofollow">Spiritual Marriage</a> by Dyan Elliott, which is about the apparently common medieval practice of married couples living in either unconsummated marriages or later taking vows of chastity.</p>
<p>In a more recent example, a couple from this past century, <a HREF="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1141/is_8_38/ai_82066335" REL="nofollow">Maria and Luigi Quattrocchi</a> &#8212; canonized by Pope John Paul the Fair in 2001 &#8212; lived a chaste marriage for the last 26 years of their lives.</p>
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