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	<title>Comments on: Tiresias and the Transgendered Scientist</title>
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	<description>Unity in charity, diversity in truth</description>
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		<title>By: Philip</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/tiresias-and-the-transgendered-scientist/#comment-6823</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 03:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a fascinating pre-Catholic Waugh comment on sexuality look read Vile Bodies, which, well not focused exclusively on this subject, has some fascinating comments on modern sexual license. A reading of Waugh's first novel, Decline and Fall before hand may help to understand some of the points made.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Waugh had a great many shared interests with Eliot, such as a fascination with the moral decline of the western world. He makes several obvious allusions to Eliot from time to time, such as the title of his later book A Handful of Dust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a fascinating pre-Catholic Waugh comment on sexuality look read Vile Bodies, which, well not focused exclusively on this subject, has some fascinating comments on modern sexual license. A reading of Waugh&#8217;s first novel, Decline and Fall before hand may help to understand some of the points made.</p>
<p>Waugh had a great many shared interests with Eliot, such as a fascination with the moral decline of the western world. He makes several obvious allusions to Eliot from time to time, such as the title of his later book A Handful of Dust.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambrosius</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/tiresias-and-the-transgendered-scientist/#comment-6824</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambrosius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 22:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe you could say that several of us have enjoyed what of Waugh we have read, but I think none have yet delved deeply into his oeuvre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe you could say that several of us have enjoyed what of Waugh we have read, but I think none have yet delved deeply into his oeuvre.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/tiresias-and-the-transgendered-scientist/#comment-6825</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I am, for one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I am, for one.</p>
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		<title>By: Erasmus</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/tiresias-and-the-transgendered-scientist/#comment-6826</link>
		<dc:creator>Erasmus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 07:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eliot's conclusion to this section in his original manuscript is even more depressing.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Are there Waugh fans among the contributors and readers of this blog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eliot&#8217;s conclusion to this section in his original manuscript is even more depressing.</p>
<p>Are there Waugh fans among the contributors and readers of this blog?</p>
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		<title>By: Iosephus</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/tiresias-and-the-transgendered-scientist/#comment-6827</link>
		<dc:creator>Iosephus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 02:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came across that passage, too.  If you search for the title of Diogenes' post, the notes for Eliot's &lt;I&gt;Wasteland&lt;/I&gt; are the first things which come up, in which the whole of the Tiresias business is related.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came across that passage, too.  If you search for the title of Diogenes&#8217; post, the notes for Eliot&#8217;s <i>Wasteland</i> are the first things which come up, in which the whole of the Tiresias business is related.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/tiresias-and-the-transgendered-scientist/#comment-6828</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 00:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"if only this scientist had known his Ovid, he might never have made the switch!"&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Or his T.S.Eliot, who, in 'The Waste Land', makes devasting criticism of modern sexual mores in referencing Tiresias:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;" At the violet hour, when the eyes and back&lt;BR/&gt;Turn upward from the desk, when the human engine waits&lt;BR/&gt;Like a taxi throbbing waiting,&lt;BR/&gt;I Tiresias, though blind, throbbing between two lives, &lt;BR/&gt;Old man with wrinkled female breasts, can see&lt;BR/&gt;At the violet hour, the evening hour that strives&lt;BR/&gt;Homeward, and brings the sailor home from sea, &lt;BR/&gt;The typist home at teatime, clears her breakfast, lights&lt;BR/&gt;Her stove, and lays out food in tins.&lt;BR/&gt;Out of the window perilously spread&lt;BR/&gt;Her drying combinations touched by the sun's last rays,&lt;BR/&gt;On the divan are piled (at night her bed)&lt;BR/&gt;Stockings, slippers, camisoles, and stays.&lt;BR/&gt;I Tiresias, old man with wrinkled dugs&lt;BR/&gt;Perceived the scene, and foretold the rest -&lt;BR/&gt;I too awaited the expected guest.&lt;BR/&gt;He, the young man carbuncular, arrives,&lt;BR/&gt;A small house agent's clerk, with one bold stare,&lt;BR/&gt;One of the low on whom assurance sits&lt;BR/&gt;As a silk hat on a Bradford millionaire.&lt;BR/&gt;The time is now propitious, as he guesses,&lt;BR/&gt;The meal is ended, she is bored and tired,&lt;BR/&gt;Endeavours to engage her in caresses&lt;BR/&gt;Which are still unreproved, if undesired.&lt;BR/&gt;Flushed and decided, he assaults at once;&lt;BR/&gt;Exploring hands encounter no defence;&lt;BR/&gt;His vanity requires no response,&lt;BR/&gt;And makes a welcome of indifference.&lt;BR/&gt;(And I Tiresias have foresuffered all&lt;BR/&gt;Enacted on this same divan or bed;&lt;BR/&gt;I who have sat by Thebes below the wall&lt;BR/&gt;And walked among the lowest of the dead.)&lt;BR/&gt;Bestows one final patronising kiss,&lt;BR/&gt;And gropes his way, finding the stairs unlit...&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This is the passage, by the way, which Anthony Blanche recites in 'Brideshead Revisited'.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Vicki (formerly posting as booklover)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if only this scientist had known his Ovid, he might never have made the switch!&#8221;</p>
<p>Or his T.S.Eliot, who, in &#8216;The Waste Land&#8217;, makes devasting criticism of modern sexual mores in referencing Tiresias:</p>
<p>&#8221; At the violet hour, when the eyes and back<br />Turn upward from the desk, when the human engine waits<br />Like a taxi throbbing waiting,<br />I Tiresias, though blind, throbbing between two lives, <br />Old man with wrinkled female breasts, can see<br />At the violet hour, the evening hour that strives<br />Homeward, and brings the sailor home from sea, <br />The typist home at teatime, clears her breakfast, lights<br />Her stove, and lays out food in tins.<br />Out of the window perilously spread<br />Her drying combinations touched by the sun&#8217;s last rays,<br />On the divan are piled (at night her bed)<br />Stockings, slippers, camisoles, and stays.<br />I Tiresias, old man with wrinkled dugs<br />Perceived the scene, and foretold the rest -<br />I too awaited the expected guest.<br />He, the young man carbuncular, arrives,<br />A small house agent&#8217;s clerk, with one bold stare,<br />One of the low on whom assurance sits<br />As a silk hat on a Bradford millionaire.<br />The time is now propitious, as he guesses,<br />The meal is ended, she is bored and tired,<br />Endeavours to engage her in caresses<br />Which are still unreproved, if undesired.<br />Flushed and decided, he assaults at once;<br />Exploring hands encounter no defence;<br />His vanity requires no response,<br />And makes a welcome of indifference.<br />(And I Tiresias have foresuffered all<br />Enacted on this same divan or bed;<br />I who have sat by Thebes below the wall<br />And walked among the lowest of the dead.)<br />Bestows one final patronising kiss,<br />And gropes his way, finding the stairs unlit&#8230;</p>
<p>This is the passage, by the way, which Anthony Blanche recites in &#8216;Brideshead Revisited&#8217;.</p>
<p>Vicki (formerly posting as booklover)</p>
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		<title>By: Iosephus</title>
		<link>http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/tiresias-and-the-transgendered-scientist/#comment-6829</link>
		<dc:creator>Iosephus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would describe the level of difficulty as: really easy, after having worked through it!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;No, seriously though, it all depends.  It really helps to know the outline of the story itself.  If I had known before hand what I wrote in this post, it would have been much clearer the first time around.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But, if I had to say, I'd say it's fairly difficult.  It's going to help a lot, though, if you know how to scan the verse - the grammar stands out much better once scanned.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;At any rate, I'm sure translations can be found all over the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would describe the level of difficulty as: really easy, after having worked through it!</p>
<p>No, seriously though, it all depends.  It really helps to know the outline of the story itself.  If I had known before hand what I wrote in this post, it would have been much clearer the first time around.</p>
<p>But, if I had to say, I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s fairly difficult.  It&#8217;s going to help a lot, though, if you know how to scan the verse - the grammar stands out much better once scanned.</p>
<p>At any rate, I&#8217;m sure translations can be found all over the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Legion of Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Legion of Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josephus,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;What is the level of difficultly of this Latin passage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josephus,</p>
<p>What is the level of difficultly of this Latin passage?</p>
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