Comments on: Reform the Reform, or else they’ll all go to the Tridentine http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/reform-the-reform-or-else-theyll-all-go-to-the-tridentine/ Unity in charity, diversity in truth Thu, 16 Oct 2008 03:30:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Tobias Petrus http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/reform-the-reform-or-else-theyll-all-go-to-the-tridentine/#comment-6814 Tobias Petrus Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:53:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/reform-the-reform-or-else-theyll-all-go-to-the-tridentine/#comment-6814 Christopher Ferrara, as always, has some good insights into Archbishop Don's comments: <BR/>http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Arc<BR/>hives/archive-2006-0731-ranjith.htm Christopher Ferrara, as always, has some good insights into Archbishop Don’s comments:
http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Arc
hives/archive-2006-0731-ranjith.htm

]]> By: pedantic_prof http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/reform-the-reform-or-else-theyll-all-go-to-the-tridentine/#comment-6815 pedantic_prof Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:39:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/reform-the-reform-or-else-theyll-all-go-to-the-tridentine/#comment-6815 Ecclesiastes, thanks for including the French; a very interesting snippet. Given that he is a friend of Mons. Fellay, I assume he is being cautious. By the way, his comment about the churches emptying now ("car, a la fin, les gens vont assister...") is actually constructed in the future. It would translate as something like: "At the end of the day, people are going to go to the Tridentine Mass, and our churches will empty." Sorry, I'm a French professor! Ecclesiastes, thanks for including the French; a very interesting snippet. Given that he is a friend of Mons. Fellay, I assume he is being cautious. By the way, his comment about the churches emptying now (”car, a la fin, les gens vont assister…”) is actually constructed in the future. It would translate as something like: “At the end of the day, people are going to go to the Tridentine Mass, and our churches will empty.” Sorry, I’m a French professor!

]]> By: Ecclesiastes http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/reform-the-reform-or-else-theyll-all-go-to-the-tridentine/#comment-6816 Ecclesiastes Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:18:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/reform-the-reform-or-else-theyll-all-go-to-the-tridentine/#comment-6816 I excerpt below the original French of the interview. Ranj says: What is happening now is that our [ordinary] churches are emptying, and people are opting for churches which have the Tridentine Mass. But note his further statement: The Tridentine Mass does not belong to the Lefebrists. Now that's significant. It is a clear signal that he believes the Tridentine Mass belongs to everyone. Please God it soon shall, again.<BR/><BR/>French:<BR/><BR/>"Il est de notre responsabilité d’être vigilants. Car, à la fin, les gens vont assister à la messe tridentine et nos églises se vident. La messe tridentine n’appartient pas aux Lefebvristes. C’est le moment de cesser les affrontements et de voir si nous avons été fidèles aux instructions de la Constitution conciliaire Sacrosanctum Concilium . C’est pourquoi il faut de la discipline pour ce que nous faisons sur l’autel. Les règles sont bien indiquées dans le Missel romain et les documents de l’Eglise."<BR/>http://www.kipa-apic.ch/meldungen/sep_show_fr.php?id=3100 I excerpt below the original French of the interview. Ranj says: What is happening now is that our [ordinary] churches are emptying, and people are opting for churches which have the Tridentine Mass. But note his further statement: The Tridentine Mass does not belong to the Lefebrists. Now that’s significant. It is a clear signal that he believes the Tridentine Mass belongs to everyone. Please God it soon shall, again.

French:

“Il est de notre responsabilité d’être vigilants. Car, à la fin, les gens vont assister à la messe tridentine et nos églises se vident. La messe tridentine n’appartient pas aux Lefebvristes. C’est le moment de cesser les affrontements et de voir si nous avons été fidèles aux instructions de la Constitution conciliaire Sacrosanctum Concilium . C’est pourquoi il faut de la discipline pour ce que nous faisons sur l’autel. Les règles sont bien indiquées dans le Missel romain et les documents de l’Eglise.”
http://www.kipa-apic.ch/meldungen/sep_show_fr.php?id=3100

]]> By: pedantic_prof http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/reform-the-reform-or-else-theyll-all-go-to-the-tridentine/#comment-6817 pedantic_prof Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:15:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/reform-the-reform-or-else-theyll-all-go-to-the-tridentine/#comment-6817 Josephus: blimey, that does not sound like Mons. Ranjith. I think you're right: it does sound like something lost in translation. Josephus: blimey, that does not sound like Mons. Ranjith. I think you’re right: it does sound like something lost in translation.

]]> By: Iosephus http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/reform-the-reform-or-else-theyll-all-go-to-the-tridentine/#comment-6818 Iosephus Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:54:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/reform-the-reform-or-else-theyll-all-go-to-the-tridentine/#comment-6818 Those are actually the words of Archbishop Ranjith Don - yeah, I didn't like the tone of them either. But one really has to be careful: it's coming to us through CWNews summary translation of an interview in Italian. Better, for starters, to be able to see what he said in full, in Italian.<BR/><BR/>Sorry, by putting that picture with the post, I probably confused things. But we can't find other pictures of Ranjith Don! And I really like that pic of Arinze in the flaming mitre. Those are actually the words of Archbishop Ranjith Don - yeah, I didn’t like the tone of them either. But one really has to be careful: it’s coming to us through CWNews summary translation of an interview in Italian. Better, for starters, to be able to see what he said in full, in Italian.

Sorry, by putting that picture with the post, I probably confused things. But we can’t find other pictures of Ranjith Don! And I really like that pic of Arinze in the flaming mitre.

]]> By: pedantic_prof http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/reform-the-reform-or-else-theyll-all-go-to-the-tridentine/#comment-6819 pedantic_prof Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:44:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/reform-the-reform-or-else-theyll-all-go-to-the-tridentine/#comment-6819 "[P]eople will attend the Tridentine Mass, and our churches will be empty." Excuse me, Your Eminence, but last time I looked, churches that held the Old Mass were still part of the Catholic Church, despite your obvious (erroneous) opinions to the contrary. Why don't you do us all a favor and retire? “[P]eople will attend the Tridentine Mass, and our churches will be empty.” Excuse me, Your Eminence, but last time I looked, churches that held the Old Mass were still part of the Catholic Church, despite your obvious (erroneous) opinions to the contrary. Why don’t you do us all a favor and retire?

]]> By: Kevin Symonds http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/reform-the-reform-or-else-theyll-all-go-to-the-tridentine/#comment-6820 Kevin Symonds Fri, 14 Jul 2006 02:35:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/07/reform-the-reform-or-else-theyll-all-go-to-the-tridentine/#comment-6820 Iosephus, would you mind too terribly E-mailing me? Thank you very much.<BR/><BR/>KevinJ@kevinsymonds.com<BR/><BR/>Peace!<BR/>-KJS Iosephus, would you mind too terribly E-mailing me? Thank you very much.

KevinJ@kevinsymonds.com

Peace!
-KJS

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