Comments on: Downsizing Hits the Cornell Catholic Community http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/ Unity in charity, diversity in truth Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:42:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Xavier http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1398 Xavier Sat, 04 Mar 2006 02:19:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1398 As a Cornell Grad Alumni '01, I remember all the liturgical abomination we had to endure. Glad to know it might be changing. <BR/>What a waste it has been all this time. As a Cornell Grad Alumni ‘01, I remember all the liturgical abomination we had to endure. Glad to know it might be changing.
What a waste it has been all this time.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1399 Anonymous Wed, 01 Mar 2006 03:00:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1399 "until they downsize themselves out of existence"<BR/><BR/>Hmmm. Fr. Dan is 51 years old. It is likely he will be chaplain at CC for at least another 6+ years. You can just about bet he will slice and dice things well enough to continue taking his little vacation/trips 3-4 times a year for that 6+ year duration. Then what will happen? A sabatical? Followed by just one more 7 year span in another unsuspecting host parish. And then retirement. Isn't that a strange existence considering this?<BR/><BR/>"since they teach heresy, practice disobedience, deceive souls, foster indifferentism, foment dissent, and breathe, in everything they do, modernism"<BR/><BR/>'They' of course being chaplains like Fr. McMullin. Fr. McMullin and the kind need to stop living a dual life. Stop raking the land of for self-profit. “until they downsize themselves out of existence”

Hmmm. Fr. Dan is 51 years old. It is likely he will be chaplain at CC for at least another 6+ years. You can just about bet he will slice and dice things well enough to continue taking his little vacation/trips 3-4 times a year for that 6+ year duration. Then what will happen? A sabatical? Followed by just one more 7 year span in another unsuspecting host parish. And then retirement. Isn’t that a strange existence considering this?

“since they teach heresy, practice disobedience, deceive souls, foster indifferentism, foment dissent, and breathe, in everything they do, modernism”

‘They’ of course being chaplains like Fr. McMullin. Fr. McMullin and the kind need to stop living a dual life. Stop raking the land of for self-profit.

]]> By: Aristotle http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1400 Aristotle Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:40:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1400 I wish both departing staffers well; it is my hope that they end up in the private sector instead of the ecclesiastical. I wish both departing staffers well; it is my hope that they end up in the private sector instead of the ecclesiastical.

]]> By: Joe Six Pack http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1401 Joe Six Pack Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:59:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1401 It does show, however, how much more expensive it is to pay "lay" chaplains, for services that in the past would have been performed by religious brothers and sisters at a fraction of the cost.<BR/><BR/>In a properly ordered Catholic culture, a diocese the size of Rochester would probably need about 10,000 religious to run the schools, hospitals, and ecclesial offices. <BR/><BR/>Joe and Jane laity would then have to go back to the pews and stay seated. And, go back home and start having Catholic babies, lots of them. It does show, however, how much more expensive it is to pay “lay” chaplains, for services that in the past would have been performed by religious brothers and sisters at a fraction of the cost.

In a properly ordered Catholic culture, a diocese the size of Rochester would probably need about 10,000 religious to run the schools, hospitals, and ecclesial offices.

Joe and Jane laity would then have to go back to the pews and stay seated. And, go back home and start having Catholic babies, lots of them.

]]> By: johnboy316 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1402 johnboy316 Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:28:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1402 Sorry! Sorry!

]]> By: Ambrosius http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1403 Ambrosius Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:21:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1403 it is perhaps quixotic of me to continue arguing this, but your paycheck simply does not reflect the reality of the social security tax. <A HREF="http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10022.html" REL="nofollow">Only the self-employed see the whole tax themselves!</A> Your paycheck shows a modest social security withholding because whoever is paying you is also paying a form of payroll tax, also into social security, which they don't tell you about and which does not appear anywhere on your paycheck. <BR/><BR/>Also, we don't know if these so-called chaplains are getting the full pay -- maybe the fundraising lady gets a lot of dough and the chaplains don't. I don't know. Anyway, the point of the post wasn't to be in awe of the sweet deal these guys had. it is perhaps quixotic of me to continue arguing this, but your paycheck simply does not reflect the reality of the social security tax. Only the self-employed see the whole tax themselves! Your paycheck shows a modest social security withholding because whoever is paying you is also paying a form of payroll tax, also into social security, which they don’t tell you about and which does not appear anywhere on your paycheck.

Also, we don’t know if these so-called chaplains are getting the full pay — maybe the fundraising lady gets a lot of dough and the chaplains don’t. I don’t know. Anyway, the point of the post wasn’t to be in awe of the sweet deal these guys had.

]]> By: johnboy316 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1404 johnboy316 Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:46:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1404 As far as I understand:<BR/><BR/>Your social security estimate doesn't match my paychecks............<BR/><BR/>Health insurance: Single ~205/month. Family ~500/month.<BR/><BR/>Those two were not old fogies and they didn't have families!!!!!!!!!!!!<BR/><BR/>Hey in any case the point was hardly about social security/health ins.<BR/><BR/>It was the Salary (which is pre everything and that's what I thought)...<BR/><BR/>Only thing that I think I did not consider is unemployment insurance (which is not taken out of one's salary...).<BR/><BR/>$50,000 is A LOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As far as I understand:

Your social security estimate doesn’t match my paychecks…………

Health insurance: Single ~205/month. Family ~500/month.

Those two were not old fogies and they didn’t have families!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey in any case the point was hardly about social security/health ins.

It was the Salary (which is pre everything and that’s what I thought)…

Only thing that I think I did not consider is unemployment insurance (which is not taken out of one’s salary…).

$50,000 is A LOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: Iosephus http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1405 Iosephus Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:02:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1405 The fact that it has come down to simple cash flow for these people is the most telling of all. And this isn't the first time that they've had to make cuts. They used to be able to support a music director and an "intern" - and this "intern" was still around during my first year here. They've slowly cut away what they had to, and now it has gotten so bad that they had to cut Phil and Theresa.<BR/><BR/>If everything goes according to plan, they will have to continue downsizing until they downsize themselves out of existence - which is one of the aims of the Cornell Society for a Good Time. Because the non-existence of the Cornell Catholic Chaplaincy would do far more good for souls than its current existence, since they teach heresy, practice disobedience, deceive souls, foster indifferentism, foment dissent, and breathe, in everything they do, modernism. The fact that it has come down to simple cash flow for these people is the most telling of all. And this isn’t the first time that they’ve had to make cuts. They used to be able to support a music director and an “intern” - and this “intern” was still around during my first year here. They’ve slowly cut away what they had to, and now it has gotten so bad that they had to cut Phil and Theresa.

If everything goes according to plan, they will have to continue downsizing until they downsize themselves out of existence - which is one of the aims of the Cornell Society for a Good Time. Because the non-existence of the Cornell Catholic Chaplaincy would do far more good for souls than its current existence, since they teach heresy, practice disobedience, deceive souls, foster indifferentism, foment dissent, and breathe, in everything they do, modernism.

]]> By: Iosephus http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1406 Iosephus Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:55:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1406 Anonymous Ladies and Gentlemen, this firing has nothing to do with the merits of Fr. Daniel McMullin. Though I'm most happy to hear that he finally agreed to step in line with the long standing liturgical directives of the Apostolic See regarding lay preaching, he himself certainly did not eject Theresa and Phil because they were unsuitable to his new, conservative program.<BR/><BR/>Come on, you people don't seriously think this.<BR/><BR/>Even if they become slightly more "conservative" in their liturgies, this won't mean beans for the Chaplaincy. So they'll get a few more dollars in the plate. Who cares. What they need are students who are involved, who care, and who care because what is at stake is the salvation of souls and the Faith, not the latest peace and social justice program. Anonymous Ladies and Gentlemen, this firing has nothing to do with the merits of Fr. Daniel McMullin. Though I’m most happy to hear that he finally agreed to step in line with the long standing liturgical directives of the Apostolic See regarding lay preaching, he himself certainly did not eject Theresa and Phil because they were unsuitable to his new, conservative program.

Come on, you people don’t seriously think this.

Even if they become slightly more “conservative” in their liturgies, this won’t mean beans for the Chaplaincy. So they’ll get a few more dollars in the plate. Who cares. What they need are students who are involved, who care, and who care because what is at stake is the salvation of souls and the Faith, not the latest peace and social justice program.

]]> By: Ambrosius http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1407 Ambrosius Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:53:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1407 eod6,<BR/><BR/>what the heck? obviously they have to let them finish their contracts ... they won't be "fired" till Fall 2006. <BR/><BR/>And if you think Fr. McMullin is orthodox, well ... I also have a beach resort in Rochester for sale! eod6,

what the heck? obviously they have to let them finish their contracts … they won’t be “fired” till Fall 2006.

And if you think Fr. McMullin is orthodox, well … I also have a beach resort in Rochester for sale!

]]> By: Ambrosius http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1408 Ambrosius Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:51:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1408 johnboy,<BR/><BR/>Sorry, but social security costs 15%, and health care for young un's may be $2400 / year, but not for oldish fogies. <BR/><BR/>I stand by my estimate of 25%. johnboy,

Sorry, but social security costs 15%, and health care for young un’s may be $2400 / year, but not for oldish fogies.

I stand by my estimate of 25%.

]]> By: EOD6 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1409 EOD6 Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:46:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1409 Were the two actualy fired? I just looked at the web site and their pictures are still there.<BR/><BR/>Fr. Mc Mullen is making some good changes to the liturgy since the beginning of the academic year: no more lay people delivering the homily and there is a crucifix on the altar.<BR/><BR/>I read his request for funds in last Sunday's bulliten. I think more money will start coming in as the CCC moves away from the liturgical abuses that have developed over recent years.<BR/><BR/>I think we should give Fr. McMullen some credit...things are getting better at Cornell. Were the two actualy fired? I just looked at the web site and their pictures are still there.

Fr. Mc Mullen is making some good changes to the liturgy since the beginning of the academic year: no more lay people delivering the homily and there is a crucifix on the altar.

I read his request for funds in last Sunday’s bulliten. I think more money will start coming in as the CCC moves away from the liturgical abuses that have developed over recent years.

I think we should give Fr. McMullen some credit…things are getting better at Cornell.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1410 Anonymous Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:25:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1410 This was a shocker. While Theresa's liturgical violations were enough to make one question whether or not they were attending a Catholic Mass, I'd have much rather seen Sr. Donna depart. I truly believe Theresa thought that what she was doing was in line with canon law, even though that couldn't be further from the truth. On the other hand, Sr. Donna seems to know better, and is doing what she does in spite of it.<BR/><BR/>But things might be changing under Fr. Dan. Publicly announcing that it's OK to kneel during the consecration in addition to seemingly putting an end to lay chaplains preaching the homily (I haven't seen this since the middle of the fall semester) are all very encouraging signs. This was a shocker. While Theresa’s liturgical violations were enough to make one question whether or not they were attending a Catholic Mass, I’d have much rather seen Sr. Donna depart. I truly believe Theresa thought that what she was doing was in line with canon law, even though that couldn’t be further from the truth. On the other hand, Sr. Donna seems to know better, and is doing what she does in spite of it.

But things might be changing under Fr. Dan. Publicly announcing that it’s OK to kneel during the consecration in addition to seemingly putting an end to lay chaplains preaching the homily (I haven’t seen this since the middle of the fall semester) are all very encouraging signs.

]]> By: johnboy316 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1411 johnboy316 Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:00:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1411 Ambrosius,<BR/><BR/>Single Health care costs: $200/month ~$2400/year<BR/><BR/>Social Security: 6% ~ $3000/year<BR/><BR/>That is roughly 11%.<BR/><BR/>Average <I>household</I> income (not take home pay) is $37,272 for Tompkins County!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<BR/><BR/>I would also wager that the average parish priest upstate probably makes around $30,000 (not take home pay) <I>at most</I>..... Ambrosius,

Single Health care costs: $200/month ~$2400/year

Social Security: 6% ~ $3000/year

That is roughly 11%.

Average household income (not take home pay) is $37,272 for Tompkins County!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would also wager that the average parish priest upstate probably makes around $30,000 (not take home pay) at most…..

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1412 Anonymous Thu, 23 Feb 2006 04:48:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1412 I must make another comment about Fr. McMullin's photo on the CCC Staff webpage. I think that photo is very old or McMullin is using heavy doses of Grecian formula for men's hair or someone is working magic with photoshop.<BR/><BR/>When potential $$$ donors check out the webpage they'll see a younger looking priest and be possibly motivated to give a little extra. Image. Image Image. I must make another comment about Fr. McMullin’s photo on the CCC Staff webpage. I think that photo is very old or McMullin is using heavy doses of Grecian formula for men’s hair or someone is working magic with photoshop.

When potential $$$ donors check out the webpage they’ll see a younger looking priest and be possibly motivated to give a little extra. Image. Image Image.

]]> By: Mater Ambrosii http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1413 Mater Ambrosii Thu, 23 Feb 2006 04:28:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1413 Well, as a parent and potential contributor to the CCC, when I'd get the v.e.r.y. obfuscatory newsletter which was really asking for donations, I'd always wish there'd be a letters to the editor section so I could explain WHY I wouldn't be sending one penny to the CCC! and likewise, how they could indeed get folks like me -- moms who think that a Catholic should believe the Creed - to contribute. Hint -- help the student recognize the narrow path . . . Holy Mother Church. There isn't a way, as Julia in Brideshead Revisted explains to Charles, that one can "set up a rival good to God's." Well, as a parent and potential contributor to the CCC, when I’d get the v.e.r.y. obfuscatory newsletter which was really asking for donations, I’d always wish there’d be a letters to the editor section so I could explain WHY I wouldn’t be sending one penny to the CCC! and likewise, how they could indeed get folks like me — moms who think that a Catholic should believe the Creed - to contribute. Hint — help the student recognize the narrow path . . . Holy Mother Church. There isn’t a way, as Julia in Brideshead Revisted explains to Charles, that one can “set up a rival good to God’s.”

]]> By: Ambrosius http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1414 Ambrosius Thu, 23 Feb 2006 04:19:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1414 But, johnboy, surely a young professional like yourself realizes that upwards of 25% of staff costs go to such things as health care and social security tax payment -- that 50 grand isn't a take-home salary figure! But, johnboy, surely a young professional like yourself realizes that upwards of 25% of staff costs go to such things as health care and social security tax payment — that 50 grand isn’t a take-home salary figure!

]]> By: johnboy316 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1415 johnboy316 Thu, 23 Feb 2006 03:57:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1415 I've noticed maybe last year or something that the salaries seemed to average way...way too high.<BR/><BR/>That's a bunch of bologne a lay psuedo chaplain in the CCC racking in an average of $50,000.<BR/><BR/>I hope other people thought the same thing. The average income for upstate professionals is much lower than the rest of the country, too; so comparably those are some high paid people. I’ve noticed maybe last year or something that the salaries seemed to average way…way too high.

That’s a bunch of bologne a lay psuedo chaplain in the CCC racking in an average of $50,000.

I hope other people thought the same thing. The average income for upstate professionals is much lower than the rest of the country, too; so comparably those are some high paid people.

]]> By: Iosephus http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1416 Iosephus Thu, 23 Feb 2006 03:07:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1416 Your encomium of Mr Fiadino was brilliant, Ambrosius! Your encomium of Mr Fiadino was brilliant, Ambrosius!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1417 Anonymous Thu, 23 Feb 2006 02:49:00 +0000 http://www.cornellsociety.org/2006/02/downsizing-hits-the-cornell-catholic-community/#comment-1417 My mistake! Their photos and bios are still there but their photos look different than those posted on this blog. My mistake! Their photos and bios are still there but their photos look different than those posted on this blog.

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