8 Responses to “The Rationale”

1. 1 John Liccio Dec 1st, 2005 at 2:51 am

   Good grief, look at that throne he’s sitting on! That throne rivals the rationale in terms of enhancing his episcopal dignity. Do you suppose he has a chair like that for the office?

2. 2 Tobias Petrus Dec 1st, 2005 at 8:42 pm

   Thanks for the pics of the rationale. Does anyone know where I could find pictures of a Pope wearing the falda or subcinctorium? Or some pre-Vatican II pics of the Patriarch of Lisbon, who was granted the right to where certain traditionally papal insignia (like the fanon)?

3. 3 Tobias Petrus Dec 1st, 2005 at 8:52 pm

   Also, as long as we’re being traditional, may I suggest we add “Prince” to Monsignor Dziwisz’s title of Archbishop? The archbishops of Cracow formerly held the title of “Prince-Bishop” in the Hapsburg Empire.

4. 4 Iosephus Dec 1st, 2005 at 11:42 pm

   I heartily approve!

5. 5 Iosephus Dec 1st, 2005 at 11:44 pm

   Tobias Petrus, I would recommend contacting Fr. Jim Tucker at the Dappeled Things blog with a question for pics of those things. And if you or he can turn any up, I’d love to see them!

6. 6 Tomasz Dec 2nd, 2005 at 8:26 pm

   Archbishop Dziwisz wore the rationale, made by St.Jadwiga(Hedwig), Queen of Poland in the late 14th and early 15th centuries. It has been worn at every episcopal inaugaration of the bishop of Krakow from thence.
   On another note, Abp.Dziwisz is a modernist in that he hadn’t worn the 500 year old Roman chasuble, made by Anne the Jagellonian, which every bishop of Krakow has worn at their first Mass also. The Archbishop’s preference was for one of JPII’s chasubles…
   Okay, this may seem as a very severe accusation but Abp.Dziwisz is a liberal. He says that he wants to put Extraordinary Eucharistic ministers in every parish by 2010. The previous Archbishop of Krakow, Franciszek Cardinal Macharski, was a hardened conservative who when asked if there was a need for EEMs, he laughed and responded “what for?”. Oh and then the Tridentine vestments the Cardinal liked to wear for about half of his Masses. Sadly, I wish Cardinal Macharski was still in charge.
   Another sad note is that Krakow being the heart of Poland, may bring abuses into the liturgy into its suffragan dioceses. Krakow, my mother see, from whence my ancestors received the Faith, seems to be trying to destroy itself and my heart can only cry.

   The reason the bishops of Krakow were called “princes” was that they were all indeed nobles and only nobles were allowed to be the bishops of Krakow up until Cardinal Wojtyla, the first non noble bishop of Krakow. There was an old Polish custom of only allowing nobles to become bishops, which good or bad, died around the time of WW2.

7. 7 Iosephus Dec 3rd, 2005 at 2:10 am

   Tomasz, thank you for these informative comments. I remember that Adam Cardinal Sapieha, the man kept Wojtyla out of the monastery and who had guided him to the priesthood in the first place, was referred to as the “unbroken prince.”

   I, too, am very sad to hear about the direction which you report Dziwisz to be taking the archdiocese. That is very sad, indeed.

   And I had hoped that vestment was a sign of traditional sympathies.

8. 8 Tomasz Dec 6th, 2005 at 5:57 pm

   I have to just continue to praise the previous archbishop of Krakow, Cardinal Macharski. Do you know that he granted the TLM on the first request to only 3 interested persons?
   Hopefully, he will still have an influence in “Polish Rome” as Krakow is called for it has 8 cardinals in residence!

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